Monday, April 7, 2008

Leptin and Lectins: Part II

Why do Americans become overweight and diseased on a high-carbohydrate diet while the carbohydrate-loving Kuna and Kitavans remain exceptionally free of chronic disease? Dr. Lindeberg proposes an answer- grains.

Dr. Lindeberg's hypothesis is that grains cause leptin resistance, which as we saw in the last post, has the potential to precipitate the metabolic syndrome and its various consorts. It's an attractive idea. The Kitavans (who he has studied personally), Kuna, and other cultures in Melanesia, Malaysia, Africa, the Arctic and South America, do not suffer from the diseases of civilization. These are all cultures that consume little or no grain, despite some having starchy diets. The Kitavans have low circulating leptin and remain lean and disease-free despite a high intake of carbohydrate.

Dr. Lindeberg says that grain-based cultures almost universally suffer from varying degrees of our illnesses, although his references to support that statement are unsatisfying. He did provide a reference showing that stroke occurs in affluent grain-based societies (whereas it seems not to in Kitavans), but I would really have liked to see a side-by-side comparison of cultures with similar lifestyles and differing grain intakes.

One thing that's certain is humans have not been eating grains for very long. Before the invention of agriculture in the fertile crescent, grains were a minor and seasonal crop for a small number of groups. Something we have been eating for a long time however is starchy tubers, bulbs and roots. Hunter-gatherers didn't generally go after wild grass seeds (grains) because they weren't a concentrated enough food source in most places. If you collect grass seeds all day, you might end up with a mouthful, after which you have to soak, grind, and cook them before chowing down. Dig up a few camas bulbs however, and you've got yourself a meal in 5 minutes.

The distinction between different sources of starch may lie in a class of molecules called lectins. Lectins were originally defined by their ability to aggregate red blood cells (erythrocytes). They do this by binding to the natural coating of carbohydrate on the cells' surface. A more current definition of a lectin is a molecule that specifically binds carbohydrate. Lectins are found throughout all kingdoms of life, and they serve a variety of useful functions. Many plants use lectins as a defense against hungry animals. Thus, an animal that is not adapted to the lectins in the plant it's eating may suffer damage or death.

Grains and legumes (beans, soy, peas, peanuts) are rich in some particularly nasty lectins. Especially wheat. Some can degrade the intestinal lining. Some have the ability to pass through the intestinal lining and show up in the bloodstream. Once in the bloodstream, they may bind all sorts of carbohydrate-containing proteins in the body, including the insulin receptor. They could theoretically bind the leptin receptor, which also contains carbohydrate (= it's glycosylated), potentially desensitizing it. This remains to be tested, and to my knowledge is pure speculation at this point. What is not so speculative is that once you're leptin-resistant, you become obese and insulin resistant, and at that point you are intolerant to any type of carbohydrate. This may explain the efficacy of carbohydrate restriction in weight loss and improving general health.

Another thing I have to mention about lectins is they can be broken down by certain food processing techniques. Remember all those old-fashioned things our grandparents used to do to grains and beans before eating them, like soaking beans overnight, sourdough-fermenting bread dough and nixtamalizing corn? All those things we've abandoned in favor of modern convenience foods? You guessed it, those reduce lectins dramatically, along with a long list of other toxins like phytic acid and protease inhibitors. Modern yeast-leavened breads, pastries, crackers, corn and soy products are no longer prepared according to these methods, and their lectin levels are typically much higher. One thing to keep in mind is that these processes reduce but generally do not eliminate lectins and other toxins.

The thing I really like about Dr. Lindeberg's idea is it explains a lot of what is happening in the world around us. The Kitavans eat yams, sweet potatoes, taro and tapioca as their staples. Incidentally, the long-lived Okinawans also eat sweet potatoes as a staple. The Kuna eat mostly plantains, yucca and kidney beans. These are three exceptionally healthy populations with a very low intake of grains. What happens when you feed these same people wheat? The Kuna have a well-documented rise in blood pressure, diabetes and cardiovascular disease mortality when they move to an urban, westernized setting. Okinawans became obese and unhealthy when American food was introduced. Wherever white flour and sugar go, the diseases of civilization follow. Weston Price documented this in the dental and skeletal health of 14 different cultures throughout the world.

It also explains what's going on under our very noses. Like I mentioned earlier, modern processed food is rich in lectins because it hasn't been treated by soaking, sprouting or bacterial fermentation. Soy has one of the highest lectin activities of any food, unless it's traditionally fermented into miso, tempeh, tamari or natto. As we've begun relying more and more on industrial food, our health has taken a major turn for the worse. Obesity is soaring in the US and diabetes is close on its heels.

I think it's very likely that grains are one of the major culprits in the diseases of civilization. This could be due to lectins causing leptin resistance. It's a fantastic hypothesis that could explain the health problems we see in modern grain-based societies.


24 comments:

Anna said...

And yet we can't turn around without the "eat more whole grains" message directed at us. Scary, isn't it?

Peter said...

Very. And then you look at the people originating this message, many have metabolic syndrome. If a dietitian is 20kg overweight...

Peter

PS Stephan, do you feel this makes metabolic syndrome a symptom of lectin toxicity rather than a problem in it's own right? Skin fold changes and central obesity etc merely reflect, or perhaps are the consequence of, lectin toxicity?

Stephan said...

Peter,

If you follow this line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, I guess that's essentially what it means. Obesity and the metabolic syndrome can result from leptin resistance, definitely in mice and possibly in humans as well. Maybe if you hit the hypothalamus with lectins and the liver with fructose, it's a metabolic disaster. Weston Price got it so right.

Here's the study I want to see done: take two groups of animals, preferably not a species that's adapted to grains. Pigs or dogs would be a good choice. Feed them diets that are both grain-free and identical, except add isolated wheat lectins to one group. See how they fare.

Lindeberg published a study on pigs similar to what I just described. Unfortunately the study is not well controlled, and he didn't look at leptin levels. Here's the link:

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/39

I'd do the study myself if I thought mice were a good model for grain intolerance.

Peter said...

Hi Stephan,

His anaesthetist also premedicated the pigs with xylazine. Look at the insulin graphs. There's no phase 1 insulin response! I've been trying to find out if this is a feature of IV glucose tolerance tests (not as much of the glucose hits straight at the pancreas cf gastric admin) or a hangover from the xylazine. Xylazine is an alpha 2 receptor agonist which acts pre synaptically to paralyse the sympathetic nervous system and post synaptically to stimulate it. The CVS and endocrine system is in a mess after xylazine, long after its sedation is gone. Ketamine is not exactly free of sympathetic nervous system effects either. I almost wrote to NM about this, but Lindeberg treated both groups the same so maybe it's nit picking. Poor study design throughout though, I agree. Just trying to see what the pigs actually ate is impossible.

Peter

Bring on the dogs.

Chainey said...

Great two-part post. I'm very interested in this lectin/leptin question.

Are you aware of Dr Rosedale's history with this?

Scott Kustes said...

Hey Stephan,
Great blog, just found it through the link in to my site. Added to the Reader. Great stuff!

Cheers
Scott Kustes
Modern Forager

Stephan said...

Peter,

Interesting. According to what I saw bumping around the internet, you should see phase I insulin secretion with IV glucose. Maybe it was the xylazine.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/287/3/E371

Stephan said...

Chainey,

Thanks. I'm vaguely aware of Dr. Rosedale. I think I remember reading a transcript of one of his talks where he brought together a lot of info from biology/evolution to argue that insulin is the cornerstone of modern chronic disease. It was interesting, although doesn't he also believe aging is a disease? I'll believe him if he's able to cure himself!!

Stephan said...

Scott,

Welcome to the blog! I just discovered yours recently as well. I've been commenting as Sasquatch. See you around!

Barry said...

I'm curious to know how you define "high carbohydrate".

Yesterday, my diet was 45% carbohydrates. 430 grams, 40 of which came from fiber. All of it came from complex carbohydrates, and (gasp) I ate four slices of 100% whole wheat toast. The rest was from beans, oats, rice, vegetables, and fruit.

Am I going to die?

Stephan said...

You will someday, but hopefully not today.

The Kuna eat 45-50% carbohydrate from non-grain sources, mostly plantain and yucca. The Kitavans eat yams, sweet potatoes, taro and tapioca, bringing their carb intake to around 70%. I would call both high-carb.

Americans do poorly on our 50% carb from grain sources. Once a person's metabolism is shot, they seem to be sensitive to all carbohydrate.

You have a good body composition, so I wouldn't worry about carbs coming from non-grain sources.

I do think the wheat toast is not ideal. True sourdough (not fake sourdough soured with chemicals) is better if you can't give up bread.

I checked out your blog, nice work getting into shape!

Mike said...

Besides wheat do you know if any grains are worse than others?

Stephan said...

Mike,

I don't know, but I'd be suspicious of them all. I think the most important thing is how they're prepared. Sprouted, sourdough fermented or both is best.

The ideal bread would probably be 100% whole sprouted rye sourdough. Good luck finding it though!

Nick said...

Great post. Unfortunately, I just started a low glycemic diet by cutting out bread, sugars, potatoes, etc., and switching to things like soy milk and nuts. I figured these low carb foods would lower my endomorphic insulin resistance. But perhaps not, if lectin is the real culprit and is contained in legumes. What do you think Steven?

Stephan said...

Hi Nick,

Congratulations on taking steps to improve your health.

I wish I could give you a clear answer but it's pretty murky. See the thing is, not all lectins are created equal. The thing about wheat lectins is they seem to resist cooking, pass through the intestine into the bloodstream, and possibly wreak havoc after that. But more importantly, wheat seems to be strongly associated with a number of diseases when it's first introduced to a culture. I don't know if bean lectins have those properties.

I would definitely stay away from processed soy products like soy milk, because they have a really large amount of lectins, phytic acid, and other toxins. So even if soy lectins aren't that bad, there is so much that it could still be a problem.

It's critical to treat grains and beans properly if you want to eat them. Soak beans 10-24 hrs, sourdough ferment flour, etc.

Nuts do contain lectins but my guess is they aren't problematic. You can also soak raw nuts before eating them, that may help break down lectins. I'm not including peanuts in this, which are a legume and contain some lectins that seem pretty nasty.

I think cutting out grains and potatoes is a good idea for someone trying to regain their body composition. If you reach your desired goal, start adding root vegetables back in and see how you feel.

Peter said...

Hi Stephan and Mike,

I checked barley and it has WGA, give or take a few amino acids, functionally it's identical. Didn't chase rye but it will be the same. These are the three gluten grains and they will be insulin mimetics. There are also at least two insulin release potentiating peptides derivable from gluten (not WGA) which act through opioid receptors. This will muddy the water.

Obviously other grains do contain lectins but they tend not to have the immunological effects of gluten, so there is far less published on them in general. I'm unaware of insulin mimesis or release stimulation from non gluten grains but that might reflect the research which hasn't been done.

Of course any sensible Asian person would polish the rice and dump the lectins anyway, getting their B vits somewhere else.

I rank my personal dislike of grains as hating gluten grains > corn > oats > rice. Of course nightshades are full of lectins too, never mind beans. Cookability varies from lectin to lectin. Some are indestructible, others break on boiling. There is a huge variation in toxicity too, not all lectins damage us...

Peter

Debs said...

I brought this up when discussing nutrition with a friend yesterday, so thanks for the good information.

I wonder whether lectins in small quantities, like what you’d ingest from grains in the proportion you’d find them wild, are harmless or simply not concentrated enough to be harmful the way they are in an agrarian diet. Do lectins cause leptin resistance proportionally to their intake – i.e., a little resistance from a little intake/significant resistance from a grain-heavy diet – or is it only when aggregated in significant quantities? Could there be any benefits from small quantities?

I’d rather not take my chances, and avoid grains or ferment/soak them when I do eat them, but I’m curious anyway.

FYI, when I Googled ‘leptin lectins’ (without quotes), your blog was the second thing to come up, after that study you cited. Pretty cool.

Stephan said...

Peter,

Thanks a lot for the information. I think barley and rye have less of it than wheat, right?

Polishing grains to remove some of those toxins definitely makes sense. I agree that rice-based diets don't seem to cause Western-style health problems.

Stephan said...

Debs,

I can only assume that there is a dose-response for lectins, where more is worse than less. Lectins aren't avoidable, because they're in everything, literally. But I think it's good to avoid the most problematic ones.

gfcfmom said...

This is a fascinating elaboration on why returning to an old fashioned 18th century way of eating and preparing food (or better yet a Paleo diet)is such a good idea. I love the detail of your site and look forward to reading more.

Jeff said...

I eat a tablespoon each daily of raw dry beans-lentils/wheat-barely/rice-millet - and have eaten as much as a full cup total -

I have not seen any adverse effects of so doing - I eat them raw and dry mostly because I prefer them that way and I do not want to waste time soaking or fermenting them - and have been doing this for over a year -

I eat all my plant foods raw -

I really doubt I digest foods differently than anyone else - so I must conclude by my own evidence that the warnings about eating raw beans are total crap - the bacteria in the lower colon prefer raw food as opposed to heat processed plant food which the colon bacteria cannot digest -

Stomach bloating is caused by a lack of animal protein/protein period - and has nothing to do with plant food one way or the other -

Protein Lesser than 1 gram per pound of body weight will always tend to produce a distended lower stomach -

Kurt G. Harris MD said...

Jeff

You said "I must conclude by my own evidence that the warnings about eating raw beans are total crap - the bacteria in the lower colon prefer raw food as opposed to heat processed plant food which the colon bacteria cannot digest - "

What makes you think the bacteria in your colon have your own interests at heart, to the point you feel you must feed them? Unless you are a hindgut fermenter like a gorilla they are helping you in the same way those raccoons go through your garbage every tuesday when you put it on the curb.

Ashu said...

Hey Stephen, how do you feel about Oats? They don't contain gluten but I'm not sure if the lectin in them are on par with the ones in wheat and other gluten grains.

Kelsey said...

Hey Stephan,

I'm very interested in this topic. I'm just wondering how you reconcile the primitive swiss Dr. Price studied who ate a fair amount of rye bread in their diet but were still immune to the diseases associated with metabolic syndrome.

I understand their bread was produced much differently than modern processing techniques, but it still had to contain lectins... right?