tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post4892856288765703329..comments2024-02-25T02:24:14.972-08:00Comments on Whole Health Source: Food Reward: a Dominant Factor in Obesity, Part IStephan Guyenethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comBlogger83125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-45163320756014819022014-05-26T11:09:09.204-07:002014-05-26T11:09:09.204-07:00This series is so very informative! It reinforces ...This series is so very informative! It reinforces something I have suspected for a while now. I want to refer people to the site to read it. I wish it was easier to find the whole series though. Maybe a link to the next article could be included with each article in the series?<br /><br />Keep up the good work!LoraTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02110265896990112635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-23688750542332685582011-11-24T09:56:13.713-08:002011-11-24T09:56:13.713-08:00I can definitely identify with this, as I have bee...I can definitely identify with this, as I have been paleo for about a year, and gave up chocolate... or so I thought. Stevia and chocolate powder mixed with yogurt makes for a great so-called "guilt-free" snack. How healthy it is, I could not tell you. I cannot find full-fat yogurt, so I buy one that is 18% MF or whatever, and unsweetened. Man, am I addicted to that so-called "pudding" I make. Every other day, I'm like "man, I need to go out and buy some more yogurt!" I drink kefir regularly, so I can't even say I'm eating yogurt for probiotis... it's a straight-up addiction! lol, I need help.Carina the Greathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09028434446863227740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-86916311107340940232011-10-07T16:21:13.563-07:002011-10-07T16:21:13.563-07:00I just couldn’t leave your website before telling ...I just couldn’t leave your website before telling you that we really enjoyed the quality information you offer to your visitors… Will be back often to check up on new posts.Puradorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18131939265813339366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-72188893310672843912011-08-16T03:42:32.516-07:002011-08-16T03:42:32.516-07:00Brilliant post. Thanks Poisonguy. To get rid of my...Brilliant post. Thanks Poisonguy. To get rid of my own anxiety, I used almost the exact outline strategy and it worked.SEO Companyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12759334378200567451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-85390920132914289992011-05-06T16:24:15.245-07:002011-05-06T16:24:15.245-07:00Re Robert's comment, not sure how much caffein...Re Robert's comment, not sure how much caffeine there is in chocolate Ensure, but just for grins and giggles, I compared the ingredient list of chocolate, vanilla & strawberry Ensure* for differences:<br /><br />- chocolate lists "Cocoa Powder (Processed with Alkali)" <br /><br />- strawberry lists FD&C Blue #1, FD&C Red #3, & FD&C Yellow #6<br /><br />- vanilla & strawberry list Ferrous Sulfate<br /><br />- chocolate lists Ferric Phosphate<br /><br />* http://www.allegromedical.com/emergency-preparation-c5023/ensure-plus-8-oz-cans-p176495.htmlBeth@WeightMavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03821749502002515139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-83485712801866431772011-05-06T12:28:16.275-07:002011-05-06T12:28:16.275-07:00Doesn't this support George Bray's notion ...Doesn't this support George Bray's notion of 'hedonism' impulses getting into the thermodynamics of food? Colour me suspicious, there's something else in chocolate-flavoured ensure. Is the caffeine content causing those rats to sleep less?Robert McLeodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05270962906437456350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-53166920301286565432011-05-05T17:08:42.748-07:002011-05-05T17:08:42.748-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Might-o'chondri-ALhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17572208303795253605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-65632094011654545592011-05-05T15:23:13.765-07:002011-05-05T15:23:13.765-07:00Just to be clear, I'm not saying that a Cheez-...Just to be clear, I'm not saying that a Cheez-it tastes more like meat than meat itself, just that it has more umami (glutamate) flavor, which is one flavor in meat and an important palatability factor since it's one of the few molecules we have taste receptors for. <br /><br />Under certain circumstances, rats, cats and other species will overeat and gain fat when their diet is supplemented with MSG. The effect isn't always consistent across studies, which leads me to believe that it's one factor among several (perhaps many) and its effect depends on the dietary context.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-7601104262768570062011-05-05T15:17:32.638-07:002011-05-05T15:17:32.638-07:00Hi Don,
They can, especially if they're based...Hi Don,<br /><br />They can, especially if they're based on processed and restaurant foods, but I think a true paleo diet is pretty low in rewarding properties. Fresh meat is a lot less 'meaty' than most savory processed food, because it contains less free glutamate. That's particularly true if it's lightly cooked. Searing meat or cooking it for a long time increases free glutamate. <br /><br />In addition, less added sugar and salt, and lower calorie density overall (for many but not all), means that a paleo diet has many fewer rewarding qualities than the typical American diet. If it's based on home-cooked food, it will also be low in those particular flavor-texture combinations that processed food manufacturers exploit to maximize our food intake. <br /><br />I'm going to argue that lower food reward (relative to the modern US diet) is an important, and perhaps even the most important, characteristic of non-industrial diets when it comes to health.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-50805883272742310522011-05-05T14:15:29.421-07:002011-05-05T14:15:29.421-07:00GG & Helen, the chapter on a correlation betwe...GG & Helen, the chapter on a correlation between A1 and schizophrenia was enough for me to get my kids on goats' milk.<br /><br />I would love for there to be more research on this. As I recall, he said it would take about 10 years to convert all our cows to A2 - that's nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-20958636716755285372011-05-05T13:41:56.238-07:002011-05-05T13:41:56.238-07:00After almost 4 years(actually, 3.5 years) on a low...After almost 4 years(actually, 3.5 years) on a low-carb diet, last 4 months of it with IF, I significantly loss my excitement about food. It got especially noticeable after I got used to IF, and it feeds on itself - the more time passes between meals, the more satisfying (satisfying without being exiting)food feels without addition of extra flavors, even something like soft-boiled eggs with butter.I love mutton very much.I normally prepare it on a Foreman grill, and got greedy on couple occasions - cooked 2 blade chops instead of one and couldn't eat second piece each time. Don't do it any longer. Prosciutto is another matter. If I let myself to do it, I would be capable of eating whole 1 lb package piece after piece until it is empty. Probably, some cheeses can have the same effect, nuts too.Galina L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09156132815504279615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-20581995844119002612011-05-05T12:51:07.577-07:002011-05-05T12:51:07.577-07:00So-called 'primal' and low-carb diets can ...So-called 'primal' and low-carb diets can contain plenty of the inherently rewarding items: fat, meatiness, absence of bitterness, soft texture,and caloric density.<br /><br />People get the idea from various authorities that you can eat as much fat and meat 'as you want' and stay lean. Then they are surprised when they gain weight on their low carb diet. Foods loaded with fat are plenty palatable and easy to overeat. You don't need an excess of insulin to store fat; you can gain with 'enough' (i.e. normal) insulin and an excess of dietary fat.Don Mateszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00920822445922261857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-28469574303836586702011-05-05T06:35:30.606-07:002011-05-05T06:35:30.606-07:00Stephan/Todd, I've been doing what I call comp...Stephan/Todd, I've been doing what I call computer-facilitated meditation for a few months now (e.g., using an emWave device that measures heart rate variability while listening to classical music and viewing nature photos).<br /><br />I'm not familiar enough with how the autonomic nervous works, but I'd imagine that walking around sympathetic dominant all day (like most folks eating a Western diet) contributes to the problem. <br /><br />And it's interesting how cultural practices like prayers before meals connect to this.Beth@WeightMavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03821749502002515139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-89179538807797074642011-05-05T03:21:02.480-07:002011-05-05T03:21:02.480-07:00Hi Jack and Might-y. BCM7 doesn't have to go t...Hi Jack and Might-y. BCM7 doesn't have to go through the gut wall to affect opiate receptors. There are millions of them residing right in the gastro tract itself. In fact the gut is where we make about 90% of our serotonin, so leaky gut or not, the BCM7 can still be attaching to hormonal receptors and gumming up the works.gunther gathererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15361732213105267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-21809263747827662542011-05-04T20:00:11.710-07:002011-05-04T20:00:11.710-07:00Might-o'chondri-Al,
The immunological respons...Might-o'chondri-Al,<br /><br />The immunological response to BCM7 mostly occurs in the first six months of life because all newborns have a leaking gut during that period which allows them to absorb colostrum. Thereafter the gut tightens up most babies. Because of this it is very important that babies be breast fed at least for the first three months of life.<br /><br />Babies get their gut flora from their mothers. If the mother has dysbiosis, which is common because of birth control pills, antibiotics and bad diet, the baby will have a leaky gut beyond the three month period and will be much more susceptible to the damaging effects of BCM7.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-87603089001512532602011-05-04T19:50:15.188-07:002011-05-04T19:50:15.188-07:00Might-o'chondri-Al
Regarding you comments on ...Might-o'chondri-Al<br /><br />Regarding you comments on the food and Diabetes (FAD)study published in 2002 in Diabetologia:<br /><br />There is no debate about the fact that half of the A2 diets in the study were contaminated is BCM7, the nasty peptide released on digestion of BCM7. The contamination was documented, long before the study was published, by Jeremy Hill who was one of the nine authors and who worked for the New Zealand Dairy Research Institute which was responsible for preparation of the diet. The contamination was known by many of the authors as documented by e-mails.<br /><br />The only question is whether or not the contamination invalidated the conclusions of the study. One of the authors insists that the conclusions are not valid because of the contamination. Another said that it made no difference, a conclusion that is hard to fathom since if only the properly fed rats are considered, the study shows the occurrence of diabetes significantly higher in the A1 fed rats compared to the A2 fed rats. Most of the authors have been silent on the matter.<br /><br />I highly recommend the book. It will answer a lot of the other questions you posed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-48548478824906228152011-05-04T14:36:31.266-07:002011-05-04T14:36:31.266-07:00Stephan,
I have also noticed that my reward need...Stephan, <br /><br />I have also noticed that my reward needs change over time. Stress definitely raises it, and meditation decreases it. <br /><br />I may have experienced a general decline in the need for reward after switching to a paleo style diet. Then again, I eat some pretty yummy food now, fat, cream, butter, etc. Perhaps the reward is the same but just from healthier sources. <br /><br />One thing I can say for sure - I developed a wicked chocolate addiction as soon as I quit wheat!Todd Hargrovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17556388922969976238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-69181708686467512802011-05-04T13:36:10.778-07:002011-05-04T13:36:10.778-07:00Hi Todd,
Excellent observation. I do think diffe...Hi Todd,<br /><br />Excellent observation. I do think different people have different reward thresholds. In rodents, one of the ways to increase your reward threshold is to become addicted to a drug of abuse, or eat lots of highly palatable food! There's evidence from brain scans (fMRI) in humans that the same may be true for us.<br /><br />I also think that rewarding food, drugs, etc. are things that we use to help us cope with our stressful lifestyles. Rewarding things feel good, and rodents/people are driven to seek them more when they're stressed (up to a point). I notice that when I'm meditating regularly, I have little or no desire for alcohol. When I'm not meditating, and my stress level creeps up, I crave a glass of wine with dinner. <br /><br />Hi Matthew,<br /><br />Nice quote, I think that's relevant.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-55793129808982426102011-05-04T12:37:40.583-07:002011-05-04T12:37:40.583-07:00This reminded me of a passage I recently read in t...This reminded me of a passage I recently read in the book Empires of Food by Evan Rimas and Andrew Fraser. It is a quote from Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, the founder of the Cistercian monastic order in France the twelfth century. He was criticising the lavish lifestyle of the Benedictine monasteries. <br /><br />“Course after course is brought in. Only meat is lacking and to compensate for this two huge servings of fish are given. You might have thought that the first was sufficient, but even the recollection of it vanishes once you have set to on the second. The cooks prepare everything with such skill and cunning that the four or five dishes already consumed are no hindrance to what is to follow and the apatite is not checked by satiety... The selection of dishes is so exciting that the stomach does not realise that it is being over-taxed.”Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00855003934699733126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-85610318358017980542011-05-04T10:18:42.424-07:002011-05-04T10:18:42.424-07:00Here are some speculations.
If the body has a se...Here are some speculations. <br /><br />If the body has a set point that is to some extent set by the reward value of certain foods, is it also possible that the brain has a changeable set point for getting a certain reward level from food or other external sources? In other words, is it possible that one person needs say "20 reward points" from external sources in a day, while another might need only 10. Perhaps this is the difference between a buddhist monk and a person with poor impulse control who is likely to gamble, overeat, and develop other addictions.<br /><br />Perhaps junk food eating is less a cause of obesity than a marker for having high reward needs from exogenous sources. Maybe vegetarianism is the reverse. <br /><br />I have noticed that when thin vegetarians sit down to a meal they don't have the look of someone who is about to get rewarded. Maybe they just don't need as much reward from food as others. If so, it would be very easy for them to eat the unpalatable food that gives a low weight set point. <br /><br />If any of these speculations are correct, it would suggest that moving the weight set point down by eating less palatable food would fail unless it also reduced the reward set point. Perhaps this explains the emotional struggles that some people have with losing weight, and why people can tend to trade one addiction or another.Todd Hargrovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17556388922969976238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-56827799540018272952011-05-04T09:41:20.437-07:002011-05-04T09:41:20.437-07:00With alcohol it was horrible at first, then fun to...With alcohol it was horrible at first, then fun to get drunk, then got a little older and got hangovers - now every time I smell alcohol I feel hung over and its all repulsive to me again.<br /><br />Neat post.williebrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14181695034119925135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-18774039924898751772011-05-04T07:47:40.962-07:002011-05-04T07:47:40.962-07:00To JBG, Milk Banks are common in American hospital...To JBG, Milk Banks are common in American hospitals, I don't know how much neonatologists are using them, but mothers are. <br /><br />link:http://www.milkbanking.net/?gclid=CO6a-brDzqgCFQU6gwodmDoIgw<br /><br />This was just one of hundreds of hits on Google. For more information on mother's milk for all children, access the blog 'Cooling Inflammation', written by Dr. Art Ayres, he is a PhD in biochemistry, specializing in heparan research. He writes about inflammation in the body, with a focus on gut inflammation, rosacea, psoriasis, and other manifestations of body inflammation, but his wife is a lactation specialist. He has several interesting posts on the value of human milk in newborns.JEANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00603976507731381782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-90205099254171494862011-05-03T23:24:15.924-07:002011-05-03T23:24:15.924-07:00Cardiac yoga teacher training course
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A recent update by Keith...Gunther Gatherer, Helen,<br /><br />A recent update by Keith Woodford largely verifies much of what he wrote regarding BCM7 in A1 milk.<br /><br />http://keithwoodford.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/russian_breakthrough_unravels_bcm7_mysteries1.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-21126832575320233732011-05-03T19:58:02.972-07:002011-05-03T19:58:02.972-07:00Gunther Gatherer, Helen:
I believe it is type 1 d...Gunther Gatherer, Helen:<br /><br />I believe it is type 1 diabetes that is increased by the BCM7 from A1 milk.<br /><br />BCM7 will pass through a leaky gut but not a healthy gut. See page 216 of book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com