tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post517263506631703050..comments2024-02-25T02:24:14.972-08:00Comments on Whole Health Source: Magnesium and Insulin SensitivityStephan Guyenethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-34403319435732708882011-09-29T11:28:24.734-07:002011-09-29T11:28:24.734-07:00I hate to be gross, but what about dead bodies? Y...I hate to be gross, but what about dead bodies? You mention that humans are not returning their mineral intake to the soil, but you also point out that most magnesium is in the bones. Doesn't that suggest that most of the magnesium is winding up in cemetaries??Nyxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01274150882524269249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-51835842350348719842010-05-15T16:32:44.964-07:002010-05-15T16:32:44.964-07:00I have been taking supplemental magnesium since ab...I have been taking supplemental magnesium since about 1996 because of persistent constipation. I was diagnosed with insulin resistance in 2000, but I had been having symptoms of this problem, namely hypoglycemia, since the 1970s.<br /><br />I take Mg as an 80% (by weight) solution of anhydrous MgCl2 (that's MgCl2x6H2O). I keep this solution in a dropper bottle; using an eye dropper allows me to adjust my dosage easily. Each dropper-full (about 1 ml) provides about 100 mg elemental magnesium. I use my bowel regularity as a gauge for adjusting my dosage. I started out taking about 1200 mg Mg/day (6 droppersful, twice a day), but now take between 600 and 900 mg per day, and I am consistently regular.<br /><br />I highly recommend this method. I let my neighborhood compounding pharmacy mix the 80% solution for me, a half-liter at a time, which lasts about 2 months and costs me $20.<br /><br />However, my fasting insulin is still elevated, which frustrates me no end. Any ideas? I also have mild fatty liver (NAFLD).cat42https://www.blogger.com/profile/10809750723419193974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-65783749099171280782010-04-22T10:30:37.084-07:002010-04-22T10:30:37.084-07:00Resnick measured intracellular magnesium and calci...Resnick measured intracellular magnesium and calcium ions directly with NMR, found that the more elements of MetS, the lower the Mgi and the higher the Cai http://hyper.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/17/6/951<br /><br />I found this convincing when <br />I plotted the ratios he came up with, see http://survivediabetes.com/Essay/Essay1.htm, search for "Resnick 1991"<br /><br />Resnick concluded "Thus, hypertension, peripheral insulin resistance, and hyperinsulinemia may be different clinical manifestations of a common underlying cellular defect in divalent ion metabolism" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2688408?dopt=Abstract.<br /><br />But no one's pursued this since Resnick died of pancreatic cancer in 2005Jontyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359486435643820872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-17921833865100391822010-02-26T02:44:29.837-08:002010-02-26T02:44:29.837-08:00HI Zooko
Good Find (-:
http://bit.ly/cN6q6K .
T...HI Zooko<br /><br />Good Find (-:<br /><br />http://bit.ly/cN6q6K .<br /><br />Thanks for sharingRobert Andrew Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05181027811602620374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-31337498588367773022010-02-25T22:41:41.612-08:002010-02-25T22:41:41.612-08:00Hi Zooko,
Hmm, well I got my information on macke...Hi Zooko,<br /><br />Hmm, well I got my information on mackerel from Nutrition Data:<br /><br />http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/finfish-and-shellfish-products/4072/2<br /><br />But now that I look at it again, there are discrepancies between the different types of mackerel they list. There may just have been an error in the Atlantic mackerel page. I'll remove mackerel from the post.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-86476531222536642682010-02-25T20:54:27.526-08:002010-02-25T20:54:27.526-08:00I found a study which measured 366 foods and repor...I found a study which measured 366 foods and reported their magnesium content (along with the Korean national food agency's statement of the magnesium content for that food): http://bit.ly/cN6q6K . Your recommendation of mackerel doesn't look so good, at least in Korea.<br /><br />By the way, this is my first post to your blog, and thank you very much for your work! I greatly appreciate that you combine direct, public, exploration and advice with the traditional routine of scientific experiment and publication.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Zooko Wilcox-O'HearnAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17046522562803939443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-91642359658977680402010-02-25T17:16:25.410-08:002010-02-25T17:16:25.410-08:00It looks like Magnesium Citrate is about 4 times m...<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2407766" rel="nofollow"><b>It looks like Magnesium Citrate is about 4 times more bio-available than Magnesium Oxide</b></a>.Nigel Kinbrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368973941328529619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-39587727573195997302010-02-25T13:54:49.118-08:002010-02-25T13:54:49.118-08:00Greg
I too have seen several papers including th...Greg <br /><br />I too have seen several papers including that cited above which suggest falling mineral density in food crops.<br /><br />Whilst Stephan's excellent blog has chosen magnesium deficiency issues exist for several other minerals.<br /><br />As Stephan said reasons given are multifactoral, including soil mineral depletion, high yield varieties, and fertiliser use leading to mineral dilution in crops.<br /><br />Whilst the popular impressions, presumably based on historic mineral plant yields, suggest that we are meeting RDAs, scientific papers in contrast often suggest that significant numbers are not meeting recommended intakes of a number of minerals.<br /><br />Looked from the hospital perspective a number of trials looking at the nutritional status of patients suggest they are generally mineral deficient.<br /><br />Increased numbers of people with compromised digestion, leading to reduced absorption, is logically also a factor in falling mineral levels in patients.<br /><br />The book free on the web "THE WHEEL OF HEALTH" by G T WRENCH <br /><br />http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0203cat/020301wrench/02030100frame.html<br /><br />which was referenced by another in an earlier blog, has some trenchant observations on the values placed by older civilisations on the importance placed on composting everything organic and putting back on the land.<br /><br />Time and quiet observation had obviously taught previous generations simple truths we have chosen to ignore.<br /><br />I am not a farmer so cannot evaluate this paper, but it does suggest that in terms of the mineral content of crops in the short term the argument for organic v conventional is not going to be clear cut.<br /><br />Clearly in the long term our failure to compost everything and return it to the soil is unsustainable.<br /><br />Comparison of Long-Term Organic and Conventional Crop–Livestock Systems on a Previously Nutrient-Depleted Soil in Sweden<br /><br />http://agron.scijournals.org/cgi/content/full/99/4/960Robert Andrew Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05181027811602620374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-4913193536313462132010-02-25T13:05:42.692-08:002010-02-25T13:05:42.692-08:00Stephen, thanks for responding. I'll work som...Stephen, thanks for responding. I'll work some Google magic. But your answer provides more specifics that were missing. My understand about the experiments that show no difference is that they indeed used "supermarket" organics, not heirloom varieties. The soil richness gambit should, in theory, be applicable to the supermarket organics as well. I can imagine that a varietal would show a substantial difference in nutritive content, though. Again, thanks.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08659674296494716966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-304179438307241702010-02-25T13:01:07.617-08:002010-02-25T13:01:07.617-08:00Hi Greg,
Due to this being a blog, I don't fe...Hi Greg,<br /><br />Due to this being a blog, I don't feel the need to reference everything. I have to strike a balance between effort expended and content. If you poke around the internet, you'll find a number of references showing that minerals have declined in foods in several countries over the last 50-70 years.<br /><br />It appears to be partially due to soil quality, and partially due to high-yield varieties. Both of those factors are going to be improved if you buy artisanal food at a farmer's market. I'm not talking about supermarket organic produced on giant farms in California. <br /><br />I'm making the assumption that artisanal foods will more like the foods we were growing 70 years ago in their nutrient content. I think it's a fair assumption, but I don't have direct evidence to support it in the case of magnesium in plant foods. Although pastured animal foods are clearly more nutritious than conventional animal foods, particularly eggs and dairy.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-25238259818298960292010-02-25T12:45:43.772-08:002010-02-25T12:45:43.772-08:00Organic foods, particularly artisanally produced f...Organic foods, particularly artisanally produced foods from a farmer's market, are richer in magnesium because they grow on better soil and often use older varieties that are more nutritious.<br /><br />I have been reading your blog for a while and found it well written and cited. But this has me scratching me head. No citation. And the most recent studies on nutritional analysis of organic and conventional have found no statistically significant difference. Do you have a source for this data? I would be interested to read it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08659674296494716966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-16606119218703681792010-02-24T20:09:50.053-08:002010-02-24T20:09:50.053-08:00Re: Barkeater's recipe
The original author su...Re: Barkeater's recipe<br /><br />The original author suggests substantial dilution to ~84 mg Mg and ~422 bicarbonate per liter, not only for taste but also for pH. I wonder how magnesium absorption is affected by pH.<br /><br />Come to think of it, wouldn't this Mg(HCO3)2 just turn into MgCl2, CO2 and H2O when it hits the stomach acid? If so perhaps one might simply take MgCl2 and have done with it. Anybody know more about the chemistry here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-50548879972027638172010-02-24T18:10:10.564-08:002010-02-24T18:10:10.564-08:00The bottle of Kroger/Ralph's brand Milk of Mag...The bottle of Kroger/Ralph's brand Milk of Magnesia I had on hand (exp 10/09!) listed Magnesium hydroxide 1200mg per 15 mL Tbsp. Only purified water was listed with inactive ingredients. But under Other Information, it says: each tablespoon (15 mL) contains: calcium 20 mg, magnesium 520 mg, and sodium 2 mg.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17033443643442246531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-64590255384251737252010-02-24T13:31:16.525-08:002010-02-24T13:31:16.525-08:00I bought some Milk of Magnesia today. Word to the ...I bought some Milk of Magnesia today. Word to the wise - the local pharmacy chain only had brands that had other ingredients listed as non-medicinal and the pharmacist couldn't say what they were. I finally found a pharmacy that had a more 'natural' bent and they had what the above post requested at 1/2 the cost to boot! Now to find Seltzer water.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07511879868947003200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-66968394871205500872010-02-24T13:07:53.036-08:002010-02-24T13:07:53.036-08:00Here is a link to a web site for afib sufferers, w...Here is a link to a web site for afib sufferers, with a nice discussion of mag water. <br /><br />http://www.afibbers.org/Wallerwater.pdf<br /><br />They say "Magnesium dissolved in water (ionized) is considerably more bioavailable than is magnesium in solid tablets or capsules. About 50% of the magnesium contained in magnesium/bicarbonate water is absorbed[4,5]. This is 12 times better than the absorption rate for magnesium oxide."<br /><br />The citations are to:<br /><br />4. Sabatier, M., et al. Meal effect on magnesium bioavailability from mineral water in healthy women. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 75, January 2002, pp. 65-71<br />5. Verhas, M., et al. Magnesium bioavailability from mineral water: a study in adult men. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 56, May 2002, pp. 442-47Barkeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12317063292150952170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-38134220859229048032010-02-24T12:58:09.453-08:002010-02-24T12:58:09.453-08:00I also take Natural Calm magnesium citrate, taken ...I also take Natural Calm magnesium citrate, taken in warm water, usually before bed.trixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764619577748539325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-13239143405397913862010-02-24T12:52:22.582-08:002010-02-24T12:52:22.582-08:00To make your own magnesium chloride 'oil':...To make your own magnesium chloride 'oil':<br />Magnesium chloride crystals ( I ordered it through a Scientific Co. but will check into the equine type). The ratio of magnesium chloride to water is 50/50. Mix half magnesium chloride to half boiled water. Allow the magnesium chloride to dissolve. Once the mixture of magnesium chloride and water has cooled, pour into the container of your choice for use. <br />(MgCl2*6H20)<br />To use transdermally:<br />Magnesium oil should be applied to the skin using a fine mist spray bottle. To limit overspray, dispense 1-3 sprays into a cupped hand and rub into the skin thoroughly.<br />• For best results, apply liberally to arms and legs to ensure a large enough surface area for absorption<br />• If you experience some slight skin irritation, dilute Ancient Minerals magnesium oil with 1 part water to make a 50% strength solution<br />• 8 sprays of magnesium oil delivers approximately 100mg of elemental magnesium on the skin.<br />*avoid contact with eyes<br />(it takes about 20 or 30 mins to absorb after which you may shower if you want.)<br /><br />Or, pour 6 or more ounces into a warm bath and soak 30 mins. or more.<br /><br /><br />Lucytrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764619577748539325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-82961512529783534402010-02-24T11:24:23.173-08:002010-02-24T11:24:23.173-08:00Hi - Can Stephan or anyone else here in the know c...Hi - Can Stephan or anyone else here in the know comment on Barkeater's recipe for Magnesium-Bicarbonate Water? Is the math/chemistry correct? Will it have a good absorption rate? How would it compare to Magnesium-Chloride and/or Magnesium Citrate?<br /><br />While I'm at it, I've had a hard time getting straight on Mg-Chloride vs. -Citrate. An thoughts?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10965024872877373793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-44465279547346324852010-02-24T11:14:21.505-08:002010-02-24T11:14:21.505-08:00Carl's article can be accessed in web (ie, not...Carl's article can be accessed in web (ie, not pdf) form at:<br /><br />http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273%2809%2901044-7<br /><br />Notice that successive sections are available via the tabs with labels like Introduction, Results, Discussion, etc.JBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04335845681080553536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-36595395341394464802010-02-24T09:41:10.345-08:002010-02-24T09:41:10.345-08:00@Ted Hutchinson
If that reference is accurate, th...@Ted Hutchinson<br /><br />If that reference is accurate, then perhaps there is hope for better Mg content in meat and bones from pastured ruminants and wild game. It makes more sense to me than soil depletion, and is less depressing to think about. I still supplement as I can't see a downside to it.<br /><br />@Barkeater<br /><br />That's a fascinating home brew recipe - I may have to try that. Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-14057531747445725442010-02-24T09:26:04.308-08:002010-02-24T09:26:04.308-08:00Very timely, I've been planning to post on Mg ...Very timely, I've been planning to post on Mg for some time. I am adding it to the arsenal as replacement in my dietary scheme. I take Mg citrate daily.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-14602779271051459092010-02-24T07:47:37.823-08:002010-02-24T07:47:37.823-08:00Magnesium hydroxide is readily available (Milk of ...Magnesium hydroxide is readily available (Milk of Magnesia) but poorly absorbed. Dr. William Davis, a solid and trustworthy guy (he runs the Trackyourplaque website and authors the heart scan blog), says that mag water is a great way to supplement, and the mag is well absorbed in this way. I have seen a medical study saying the same thing. I find mag water to be an easy and cheap way to supplement magnesium.<br /><br />The following was a reader’s submission found on http://www.mgwater.com/email02.shtml (I have lightly edited it) It closely matches what Dr. Davis recommends and what I have now done for a year: <br />Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:32:56 EDT<br />HOMEMADE Mg-BICARBONATE WATER<br />For some time I've been drinking a Mg-bicarbonate water that I make very inexpensively from Milk of Magnesia (magnesium hydroxide) and seltzer water (CO2 water). . . . Here's the recipe:<br /><br />The equation Mg(OH)2 + (CO2)2 = Mg(HCO3)2 is interesting, because Mg(OH)2 is magnesium hydroxide, as in milk of magnesia (MoM), and CO2 is the fizz in carbonated (seltzer) water. Combining them produces Mg(HCO3)2 (magnesium-bicarbonate), as in ... and Adobe Springs ("Noah's") water. Be sure to get the MoM in which the "active ingredient" is Magnesium-hydroxide and nothing else [no flavorings], and the "inactive ingredient" is purified water and nothing else. You'll see on the label that one teaspoon of MoM = 400 mg of Mg-hydroxide. 42 % of Mg-hydroxide is Mg, which equals 168 mg of Mg per teaspoon. Chill for an hour or two in the refrigerator a 1 liter bottle of seltzer water (not soda water), which consists of water and CO2 only. Open it, and when the fizzing settles down, spoon in 2 tablespoons (6 teaspoons) of milk of magnesia, put the cap back on, shake gently every few minutes and watch the cloudiness disappear as the Mg-hydroxide reacts with the CO2 and becomes Mg-bicarbonate. This 1 liter (approximately 1 quart) will have ~1,008 mg of magnesium + ~5,061 mg of bicarbonate.<br /><br />Summary: 1 liter seltzer water + 2 tablespoons (6 teaspoons) milk of magnesia = ~1,008 mg of magnesium + ~5,061 mg of bicarbonate per liter (~ 1 quart). [The original author dilutes this for taste – I mix it with a little orange juice and drink it down as is. Straight has a slightly salty taste, but is not too bad.] <br /><br />[My cost works out to less than $1 per liter, or 33 cents a day.]Barkeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12317063292150952170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-46582979214632412692010-02-24T07:26:52.996-08:002010-02-24T07:26:52.996-08:00MgCl is mostly Cl by weight. So 2.5 g MgCl is not ...<i>MgCl is mostly Cl by weight. So 2.5 g MgCl is not the same as 2.5 g Mg, and it's not 6 times the RDA</i><br /><br />Oh, my bad! Yes, MgCl2 is only about a quarter Mg so the 2.5 g is only a little over 1.5 times the RDA.Nanonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12745177257870995789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-55040324421030189052010-02-24T04:49:34.474-08:002010-02-24T04:49:34.474-08:00The Study.....Enhancement of Learning and Memory
b...The Study.....Enhancement of Learning and Memory<br />by Elevating Brain Magnesium<br /><br />http://download.cell.com/neuron/pdf/PIIS0896627309010447.pdf?intermediate=trueCarlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11987064209661355978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-43820833067335378402010-02-24T04:39:52.736-08:002010-02-24T04:39:52.736-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11987064209661355978noreply@blogger.com