tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post5537882216171239021..comments2024-03-28T11:29:46.845-07:00Comments on Whole Health Source: Sugar Intake and Body Fatness in Non-industrial CulturesStephan Guyenethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-72594538031795365172015-07-31T06:44:08.112-07:002015-07-31T06:44:08.112-07:00Nutrition Tracker Lose weight fast with easy to fo...<a href="http://careot.net/" rel="nofollow">Nutrition Tracker</a> Lose weight fast with easy to follow diet and exercise plans that will have you slim in no time, plus simple tips to help you shed your belly quickly.<br />Naveen Singh Uriyalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00530107774733681871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-3995347496361641542012-07-16T06:59:51.725-07:002012-07-16T06:59:51.725-07:00To everyone advocating genetic differences, there ...To everyone advocating genetic differences, there have been many documented cases of subjects who ate a traditional diet switching to a typical american diet. In all cases they tend to develop obesity and Metabolic Syndrome faster than their western counterparts. We westerners are the most adapted to our diet, and no prior epigenetic background can save a population from the "diseases of affluence".<br /><br /> It is also known that chronic hyperinsulinemia can sussit in subjects with very low body fat and even cause diabetes type 2 in vulnerable ones.<br /><br /> It should be ultimately clear to the commenters of this blog that no macronutrient ratio can explain "diseases of affluence" as much as overeating, sedentarism(or perhaps just the lack of short-duration intense anaerobic exercise) and nutrient-poor diets can. I am personally betting on the latter for the main cause, as refined carbohydrates may not be damaging per se, while their stimulation of metabolism without adequate nutrients (or even with added anti-nutrients) causes the organism to store energy and causing obesity.<br /><br /> I believe we live in an age of "wealthy malnutrition", in which to an abundance of all the basic macronutrients is sided a widespread deficiency or disproportion of many micronutrients, hard to acquire and rebalance without accurate dietary choices and specific supplementation due to processing, soil deprivation, etc.<br /><br /> Health is virtually a no-brainer for cultures living on traditional diets, while it seems so maddeningly complicated for us. It is obvious to me that it is because we struggle to repair the damage already done to our health while misdirected by the staggering complexity of the human organism. <br />Who would get so interested in human diet to study it to the point of disregarding the USDA and looking for the actual truth, if not someone who already feels the negative effects of an unbalanced diet on themselves? (Or, less commonly, someone with a personal passion for the topic.)<br /><br /> I think many tend to believe that just emulating an "ideal" diet and lifestyle, proven to be so by science, would guarantee their health, but many times what they actually need is special means to recover from the damage already done. Once recovery is obtained, a healthy diet should then become a no-brainer for us as well. Unprocessed foods, active lifestyle and specific supplementation when deficient. All things we already know.Hionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03210336002171210849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-14975339001109821452012-07-09T00:56:59.587-07:002012-07-09T00:56:59.587-07:00I've heard that the Amish have a lot of sugar ...I've heard that the Amish have a lot of sugar and fat in their diet, and large quantities of both were part of the American diet long before obesity became so common.<br /><br />Perhaps physical activity is more important. The Amish walk a lot, and so did most Americans 80 years ago.Alan Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01344529284517184183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-14060073383499449822012-06-20T04:21:34.730-07:002012-06-20T04:21:34.730-07:00Sanjeev, you seem to have missed the fact that my ...Sanjeev, you seem to have missed the fact that my comment is a response to Don's. He's the one who chose to compare cola and sugar to cream and coconut oil to show which foods "increase the caloric density of the diet most quickly," which is thus why I'm comparing "water-filled" cola to other foods precisely to suggest that his comparison is fatuous. i.e. cola (being water-filled) increases the caloric density of the diet slowly, but rarely held to be slimming. <br /><br />Just to make it explicit, though it should already be obvious, I'm not arguing for judging foods based on Don's measure, I'm arguing against it. (Unless you think I was actually suggesting drinking cola for weight loss).<br /><br />Your point about dry oatmeal versus wet oatmeal is an exemplar of the same point. According to the caloric density measure, plain dry oats are much more fattening than oats boiled into a tasty, easy to eat porridge.David Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08508780038542342811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-9785136137299634602012-06-19T09:13:22.839-07:002012-06-19T09:13:22.839-07:00hunter-gatherers weren't plagued by plagues, a...hunter-gatherers weren't plagued by plagues, and it wasn't just because they lacked the population density and close contact with animals. it also had to do with how there cultures mediated the social relationship to and between one another.<br /><br />when sugar is introduced into culture, such as the hadza, it isn't introduced in isolation, like the coke bottle falling from the sky in the god's must be crazy. it is introduced with a whole host of non-dietary cultural elements, the most profound of which is ever widening social inequality. <br /><br />depending on the culture, the introduction of western diets can range from the first time that material and status social inequality has existed in the culture, or it can simply magnify material and status inequalities. the lag in metabolic disease in these cultures, correlates much closer to the pace of social stratification, than to the increasing consumption of sugar. <br /><br />thus sugar consumption in the hadza, a fairly egalitarian culture, without marked differences in material wealth and social status, may take longer to manifest the diseases of affluence despite a marked consumption of sugar, while a culture that already had an iniquitous culture, may quickly succomb to metabolic disease that nearly perfectly mirrors the rise in sugar consumption--as was the case with the US.<br /><br />sugar consumption in a society perfectly correlates with that society's level of inequity (modern day america not only has the highest sugar consumption, but also the least equitable social distribution of material wealth and social mobility). the stress of social inequity makes all primates very ill--and all primates manifest that ill in the same way--increased fat, especially around the belly, heart disease, diabetes, depression, etc. <br /><br />i haven't done it yet, but i would imagine that decreases in height in the US, mirror the increases in girth--height is one of the most sensitive detectors of social inequity. <br /><br />my guess is that the real culprit is cortisol, which is released most markedly in response to social threats to self-esteem.<br /><br />a long time ago, i stumbled on to dr. eades blog, he was talking about how cave men lived off of mammoth meat and that the inuit's traditionally live off an entirely meat based diet. both of these statements are patently false--isotope analysis shows quite clearly that our ancestors ate a marine diet. his point was that thre is one correct way for us to eat (which according to him was all meat all the time) <br /><br />but the thing about human diets is that they are as varied as human cultures, and most work pretty well, as long as the underlying cutlture is healthy--the diet of 18th century amercians was not healthy, it was devoid of omega 3, very low on vitamen c, southerners were plagued by pellagra, notherns were plagued by rickets, but over all healthy was not so bad--we were tall and in much better shape than euopeans at the time--whose diets where about the same. the difference wasn't what we ate, but how we lived--europe was a den of inquity, the US was a bastion of equality (materially sepaking, this was very true--the differences between rich and poor in the US we much less than in europe at the time, and much, much less then they are now here).<br /><br />what we know about diet now, allows us to craft diets for optimal health, but that will not be achieved, if we are drowning in cortisol. think of metabolic disease it the same way you would cancer or cholera, to cure cancer, you have to kill it and/or remove it. to cure cholera, you have to clean up the source of the bad water. to cure metabolic disese, you have to find and remove the element that has stripped the metabolism of it's ability to process foods correctly--i don't believe that that is predominently caused by what goes into our mouths, but it maybe be exacerbated by it (some foods may create a non-virtuous cortisol loop, but until you fix the underlying cortisol malfunction, you won't stop metabolic disease).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10597915139164306328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-27049740559605268682012-06-19T09:11:44.580-07:002012-06-19T09:11:44.580-07:00the most valuable observation in this post, and th...the most valuable observation in this post, and the one that came just before it, is that diet isn't the only thing that has changed dramatically over the last 30-50 years--you're just as likely to see a positive correlation with blue jean purchases and obesity as you are to see one with sugar consumption (or any other dietary shift).<br /><br />i often wonder if we don't become too myopic by assuming that the most obvious, common sense culprit--diet--must be behind obesity and metabolic syndrome, that we blind ourselves to other dramatic non-dietary changes that have occurred at the same time, that might be the real culprit--perhaps the problem isn't our diets per se, but something that makes our bodies unable to process and cope with our diets.<br /><br />there is no dietary villain that hasn't been absolved; all of our dietary villains are dress in confusing muti-colored coats--good here, evil there, neutral everywhere else.<br /><br />my own background is in medical anhtorpology--i have always been equally interested in both culture and biology, and especially how culture is the most profound factor in human health. <br /><br />civilization, meaning living in sedentary farming communities, has always had it's diseases--small pox and measles cannot exist without base populations of 250,000 people to sustain them. civilization could in fact be defined as living in a state of chronic disease--the diseases may change, but the state of disease never ceases.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10597915139164306328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-66656940429700058202012-06-16T18:48:04.549-07:002012-06-16T18:48:04.549-07:00> olfactory bulb cancels some long-running sign...> olfactory bulb cancels some long-running signals after the receptor but before the spine.<br />______<br /><br />hmmm... something tells me that's wrong ... the bulb connects directy to the brain.<br /><br />The signal, after being strong at the onset of a new smell is strong, but is soon attenuated in the bulb before being passed on.Sanjeevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09522727136330797375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-6800748030483471352012-06-16T18:44:23.954-07:002012-06-16T18:44:23.954-07:00Still no response to the "inherent" thin...Still no response to the "inherent" thing huh? You tried (in vain) to minimize and sideline important work, important intellectual contributions to modern thought and the best you can do is completely ignore that part of the critique, or pretend that your completely non-responsive answers actually said anything. <br /><br />> you have a problem<br /><br />Your first answer was completely unresponsive to my criticism PLUS you tried to insult me by calling me insane. <br /><br />In your second response you make a change to the original comment in line with my criticism PLUS you try to hide your running away by adding another attempted insult<br /><br />Hold on a minute john, i have to do something .... <br /><br />OK, the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance is on the way to your location now, Try(in vain) not to act like the robot on the stairs in "Robocop". <br /><br />> you have a problem<br /><br />Thanks for that john. You confirmed some of what I've suspected about you. I'd think I was one twisted, tortured turd if you thought I didn't have a problem. <br /><br />You have NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. You, sir, at the very zenith, the pinnacle of human intellectual achievement (in physics and biochemistry and dieting and health and psychology) <br /><br /><br /><br />oh, yes ... MORE name calling please. Don't let me down john.Sanjeevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09522727136330797375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-41451335249205144692012-06-16T18:31:41.428-07:002012-06-16T18:31:41.428-07:00> saliva is constantly bathing taste recptors a...> saliva is constantly bathing taste recptors and that triggers specific neuronal pathways<br />___________<br />most stiumuli that constantly trigger a sense receptor are quickly, actively cancelled/dampened, either right at the receptor (some receptors for example work along the lines of piezo crystals, and only respond to deltas), or somewhere on the way to and sometimes including in the brain. I believe the olfactory bulb cancels some long-running signals after the receptor but before the spine.Sanjeevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09522727136330797375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-92043439310581035882012-06-16T11:11:58.236-07:002012-06-16T11:11:58.236-07:00Stephan, Thanks for having the courage to address ...Stephan, Thanks for having the courage to address honey as well as fruits and berries, and the Hadza are one of the more interesting counters to the "sugar is sugar" (aka fruit=honey=sugar=fructose=poison) meme, with about half their diet coming from "sugary" foods, and well over half from "carbage." <br /><br />It seems like most hunter-gatherer societies that I've seen reports on that have access to good wild honey consider it their favorite food. It doesn't seem likely that the human race could have survived for millennia with one of its favorite foods being "poison."<br /><br />There's also this study on the Hadza, if you haven't seen it already: http://www.epjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/EP07601616.pdfPaleo Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04638692477055356361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-5496387556670612032012-06-14T02:38:54.341-07:002012-06-14T02:38:54.341-07:00@Collden
What do you think about Unger's idea ...@Collden<br />What do you think about Unger's idea that obesity is protective against other aspects of the metabolic syndrome? He says obesity-resistant mice get diabetes instead.<br /><br />If he's right, the negative association between sugar consumption and weight/BMI might mean, sugar is less able than fat to use this means of protection against diabetes. Any ideas about this?Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18175128589806816624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-1951972216741669992012-06-13T21:38:35.249-07:002012-06-13T21:38:35.249-07:00Now a days healthcare market is very developed. Su...Now a days healthcare market is very developed. Sugar is not good for health. Healthcare market actually witnessing double growth in recent years.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.NeuropathyandPain.com/" rel="nofollow">neuropathic pain management</a>Solvv encyyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11068604716243650063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-31742675980191076062012-06-13T11:34:51.659-07:002012-06-13T11:34:51.659-07:00Did you see the National Geographic article on the...Did you see the National Geographic article on the Hadza? http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/12/hadza/finkel-text<br />Pretty much confirms what you say about their diet, plus lots of great pictures.derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03998412942604723979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-42016138510860085482012-06-13T07:09:22.396-07:002012-06-13T07:09:22.396-07:00Re "genetic adaptations", these primitiv...Re "genetic adaptations", these primitive tribes are not isolated cases, sugar consumption is consistently negatively associated with weight and BMI in epidemiological studies of western populations as well. That sugar has any detrimental role in the development of obesity is simply not supported by observational evidence anywhere.Colldénhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664747492507357479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-58986769118660744312012-06-13T05:58:15.185-07:002012-06-13T05:58:15.185-07:00@Peter
You should read over the comment thread on...@Peter<br /><br />You should read over the comment thread on the Otzi II post. We're in serious danger of recapitulating that discussion, not that I'm going to engage in it again. <br /><br />You seem bent on extracting the "plant positive" point of view from every primitive/HG population case study that Stephan or anyone else discusses. In the case of the Kuna, you were factually incorrect, plain and simple. Why should we re-hash the discussion we already had about the Masai and the Pacific Islanders? What bearing does it have on this interesting post about sugar and body-fatness? <br /><br />ChrisChris Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07791413012165238990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-5519112912200518612012-06-13T02:09:32.168-07:002012-06-13T02:09:32.168-07:00Healthcare system in China is witnessing series of...Healthcare system in China is witnessing series of transformation driven by government backed reform process and increasing private sector participation. Although China healthcare market is fraction of the developed markets, it is actually witnessing double digit growth in recent years. However, within the Chinese healthcare market landscape,there still exists huge difference between the tier one cities and the rural areas. Within the city, there exist huge difference in the level of healthcare services provided by the hospital and small clinics. Chinese healthcare market is very diverse in nature due to presence of multiple hierarchies of healthcare institutions offering services to largest population base in the world.<br /><br />With improvement in the healthcare infrastructure, the Chinese Healthcare Industry is entering into a new era of development. Moreover, increased government spending, has accelerated the development of healthcare infrastructure in China. Large population base having large proportion of ageing people and continuously growing prevalence of lifestyle diseases are further supporting the advancement of the industry. With 1.3 Billion people, China has a huge opportunity in terms of potential patients. However, a closer look at the composition of China s populace reveals a much smaller, although still very large, likely patient pool. Approximately 600 Million people are considered urban residents, while over 700 Million are considered rural residents in China. The rural population is disadvantaged in terms of access to and quality of care. Nevertheless, even without significant uptake in rural patients, China health-care market could continue growing at an intense pace. <a href="http://www.bharatbook.com/healthcare-market-research-reports/china-healthcare-market-analysis.html" rel="nofollow">China Healthcare Market </a>IInrskiMarket Research Reportshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01338849502816267355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-26078562019155504472012-06-12T23:00:43.146-07:002012-06-12T23:00:43.146-07:00Stephen,
"When you take a Masai man off his...Stephen, <br /><br />"When you take a Masai man off his traditional diet and put him on a cholesterol-free poor quality diet, his serum cholesterol skyrockets, suggesting that something besides dietary cholesterol and saturated fat is the decisive factor.<br />http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-masai.html"<br /><br />Last words in this thread:<br />I personally welcome very much the debate over dietary and blood lipids, critical examination is always a good thing. However, if one's big idea over the lipid issue is hanging on few exotic HG tribes along with few pastoral tribes, the case is probably not too strong.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904866274339527690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-80871509486091437772012-06-12T22:46:22.674-07:002012-06-12T22:46:22.674-07:00Stephen,
In regards to co-founding elemets, I thi...Stephen,<br /><br />In regards to co-founding elemets, I think the Masai case is pretty much done as PrimitiveNutrition has showed over and over. Whether they are genetical isolate or not is secondary, they have unique biological charasteristics, and that is what matters, morover the Masai have low level of serum cholesterol and that is what matters as well:<br /><br />1) The Masai of East Africa: some unique biological characteristics<br /> <br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4103135<br /><br />2) "In contrast to white-americans who have a limited maximal absorption capacity of 300mg of cholesterol, the Masai could absord more than 650mg cholesterol. Compared with the 25% suppression of synthesis found in white Americans, the Masai could suppress 50% of their endogenous cholesterol synthesis". <br /><br />Cardiovascular disease in the tropics. IV. Coronary heart disease<br /><br />Moreover, also the fact that Masai eat very little in general has been proposed as factor for their low-rate of heart disease:<br /><br />Lipid intakes of Maasai women and children<br /> <br />"Cholesterol intakes were below 220 mg/day. Energy intakes were inadequate and were between 65% and 80% of the recommended daily intakes based on body weight, or 50% and 60% of the RDI based on age/physiological status. It is suggested that this is the reason why serum lipid levels are not high".<br /> <br />http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03670244.1993.9991299<br /><br />All, in all an average Masai womean does not even consume cholesterol even a worth of a single egg per day. I think the Masai is a great example of how single-minded appeal-to-nature fallacy can lead us in dangerous conclusions, there's lot more variables to consider.<br /><br />@Nothing<br /><br />Like I showed to you, we do not need HG to make a case for sugar. We can just use population that are more similar to us, are not genetical isolates, nor imposed with high parasitic burdensPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904866274339527690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-15948503438509541922012-06-12T22:08:01.895-07:002012-06-12T22:08:01.895-07:00Thanks, Stephan.
I was still curious to the effect...Thanks, Stephan.<br />I was still curious to the effects of sugar on the Kuna, etc. and whether it leads to AGE-formation, if you could shed some light on that. My guess would be that either the AGEs are not that significant due to other dietary factors, or that the AGEs are present (in significant numbers-I think we all have some AGEs)but other micronutrients, etc. provide positive effects to offset the ill-effects. What would you say?Pranayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434323151154511148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-13944807932422683882012-06-12T20:41:35.737-07:002012-06-12T20:41:35.737-07:00> HG folk should be our last resort to make a c...> HG folk should be our last resort to make a case when the data doesn't support Peter's viewpoint. But if it does, then he'll gladly use it to make a case.<br />____<br /><snicker> you mean like <a href="http://carbsanity.blogspot.ca/2011/09/bloggo-science-hypothetical-post-iii.html" rel="nofollow">throwing away</a> inconvenient data points</snicker>Sanjeevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09522727136330797375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-35448176387511993322012-06-12T19:07:41.168-07:002012-06-12T19:07:41.168-07:00If the Kuna eat much the same "average" ...If the Kuna eat much the same "average" sugar intake that you in the US do, perhaps it is more evenly spread? If they tend to eat closer to the average amount, and there are fewer on sugar-free or sugar-binge diets, this might make a difference.<br />There might be a statistical deception; if a few obese people are eating much more sugar than average, then the "average" sugar intake may have nothing to do with it. <br />Also, I see no good reason to overturn Cleave's "20 year rule" at this stage.Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-42783999733660619732012-06-12T12:39:45.369-07:002012-06-12T12:39:45.369-07:00LOL @ Peter
First he says:
"The key theme i...LOL @ Peter<br /><br />First he says:<br /><br />"The key theme is a diet-pattern. The population you, Stephen addressed, derivived most of their protein from unrefined plants. This is diagonally opposite to the West (compare to WHI-trial where the "low-fat" intervention group ate 75-80% of their proteim from animals)."<br /><br />Then after Stephan says he's wrong, he says:<br /><br />"Anyways, I think HG folk should be our last resort when we want to make cases in regards to nutrition."<br /><br />So in other words, HG folk should be our last resort to make a case when the data doesn't support Peter's viewpoint. But if it does, then he'll gladly use it to make a case.<br /><br />Got it. :-)nothing91https://www.blogger.com/profile/10778017065078905610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-70520344570750256452012-06-12T11:33:26.408-07:002012-06-12T11:33:26.408-07:00I think you can get away with a lot more sugar int...I think you can get away with a lot more sugar intake if you are very active and athletic and burning a lot of glycogen/sugar daily. Plus those are all natural sources of sugar. I bet we'd be fine if we all ate only natural sources of sugar from birth. You can only eat so many (not many) apples before you feel satiated and wild berries tend to be low on the sugar side and a ton of work to collect in the wild. I am guessing they don't eat tons of honey. The local bees can only produce so much honey yearly and honey cannot be overharvested or you endanger your constant supply. PLus you have to fight the bees each time so people are not going to be snacking on honey daily. And all their sugar comes with nutrients. If you want to be just as active as them, I think that level of sugar IN NATURAL FOODS AND ASSUMING YOUR METABOLISM IS NOT DAMAGED is probably fine, but how many in the city are that active and in that condition? ALmost none, so better lay off all that sugar peoples! What is fine in one situation is often not fine in another, especially considering the unnatural sources of most of our sugar.Evahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18224463305848437035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-84115239292014424152012-06-12T11:25:18.521-07:002012-06-12T11:25:18.521-07:00Hi Pranay,
Yes, I think that is an important fact...Hi Pranay,<br /><br />Yes, I think that is an important factor. However, a small point I want to make about the Masai is that they are very unlikely to be specially adapted to dietary cholesterol because they are actually a genetically diverse population that has admixed considerably with neighboring agricultural tribes.<br /><br />Modern genetic analysis is confirming the speculations of Dr. Mann on this matter. For example, this paper in the journal Science showed that the Masai genome shows "extensive genetic introgression" with other nearby agricultural groups.<br />http://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5930/1035.abstract<br /><br />This is partially because of their traditional habit of raiding nearby agricultural tribes for wives.<br /><br />When you take a Masai man off his traditional diet and put him on a cholesterol-free poor quality diet, his serum cholesterol skyrockets, suggesting that something besides dietary cholesterol and saturated fat is the decisive factor.<br />http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-masai.htmlStephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-84478361564291080242012-06-12T10:58:39.440-07:002012-06-12T10:58:39.440-07:00Here's a veery good account the diet and healt...Here's a veery good account the diet and health status of Tokaluans with high saturated fat intake, by PrimitiveNutrition:<br /><br />RaCCG5: The Tokelauans, and more on the Masai<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfAOHWUD_TI&list=PLDBBB98ACA18EF67C&index=17&feature=plpp_videoPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904866274339527690noreply@blogger.com