tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post8045043118328204891..comments2024-03-28T11:29:46.845-07:00Comments on Whole Health Source: Krauss's New Article on Saturated Fat Intervention TrialsStephan Guyenethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-56414027043244428402010-02-02T21:26:34.298-08:002010-02-02T21:26:34.298-08:00Whenever you hear a reference to the Japanese havi...Whenever you hear a reference to the Japanese having a high incidence of stroke bear in mind that for hundreds of years it was considered 'dishonourable' to die from heart disease, and would bring dishonour on the family.<br />Conversely, to die from stroke was no problem, so that's what went on the death certificate.<br />This has changed in the last fifteen years or so but is often used an example of how the Japanese now die from an increase in heart disease and have less strokes.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09015491135552139277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-7611417846422939672010-01-26T21:16:37.727-08:002010-01-26T21:16:37.727-08:00Stephan,
I highly doubt Krauss is WAPF-y or paleo...Stephan,<br /><br />I highly doubt Krauss is WAPF-y or paleo. Maybe I should ck?? (he's probably definitely low-carb and mod-high sat fat, right? *smile*)<br /><br /><br /><br />Jamie,<br /><br />U R so right on about the Okinawans -- it only took a few generations for high carbs, Western food and canola oil (n-6 replacing sat fats) to RUIN THEIR track record for longevity.<br /><br /><a href="http://drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com/2009/08/benefits-of-high-saturated-fat-diets.html" rel="nofollow">big fat okinawan myth</a><br /><br />The men and women in their 60-80s had high HDLs (60s) as expected by their high lard, goat milk, goat sashimi and protein intake when they ate their trad'l diet. <br /><br />-GDr. B Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451872961651116061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-34330844518620485752010-01-26T18:50:24.445-08:002010-01-26T18:50:24.445-08:00Stephan said...
All good points. The Japanese...Stephan said...<br /><br /> All good points. The Japanese are healthy for an industrialized culture, there's no doubt about it. I just think we need to keep things in perspective. There are non-industrial cultures that are healthier than the Japanese, in terms of non-infectious diseases. Aspiring to be as healthy as the Japanese is good if you're an American, but we can do even better.<br /> January 20, 2010 5:22 PM <br /><br />The markers for a japanese diet being healthy are outdated...Western disease is growing in this culture... CVD is high, Diabetes is high, Okinawans were once vaunted for their healthy diet which once consisted of Fish, Pork and Sweet potatoes. This was up until the late 1900's, in the past 100 years the diet has been inundated with rice and western fast food as well as BREAD!! IN that hundred years they have gone from one of the healthiest prefectures in Japan to the most obese. If anyone wanted to do a study on what the addition of high glycemic carbs do to a society they need to look no further than Okinawa.Jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02881130669982152088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-25470935440947212532010-01-26T13:15:10.281-08:002010-01-26T13:15:10.281-08:00Jack Cameron
Thank you for taking the trouble to ...Jack Cameron<br /><br />Thank you for taking the trouble to respond, and explain further.Robert Andrew Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05181027811602620374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-75412910026251907662010-01-25T20:33:51.272-08:002010-01-25T20:33:51.272-08:00Thanks for getting these out there!Thanks for getting these out there!Apolloswabbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10048632865194585592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-17990613330211566802010-01-25T12:02:33.675-08:002010-01-25T12:02:33.675-08:00Just so some of the commentors know........
It...Just so some of the commentors know........<br /><br />It's irrelevant whether the Japanese eat diets rich in saturated fat fat or low in it.<br /><br />The explanantion for their good cardiovascular outcomes is long chain omega 3 intake from fish.<br /><br /><br />It's a shame researchers didn't point this out before and always attributed it to low saturated fat intake .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-73770005284054570832010-01-25T11:59:24.464-08:002010-01-25T11:59:24.464-08:00The health of the Japanese has nothing to do with ...The health of the Japanese has nothing to do with saturated fat intake.<br /><br />They have much greater long chain omega 3 fat levels in their blood than do Americans.<br /><br />Their average intake per person is around 600 mg DHA and EPA, I think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-20226389417507761192010-01-24T13:35:53.609-08:002010-01-24T13:35:53.609-08:00Stephan,
Are you familiar with Paul Ewald's i...Stephan,<br /><br />Are you familiar with Paul Ewald's ideas concerning chronic diseases?<br /><br />I'm convinced that both the low-carbers and he seem to have big pieces of the puzzle of what causes chronic diseases in modern populations.<br /><br />For example it's clear to me that refined carbs cause diabetes II and obesity, but for example CVD (Taubes) and MS (Cordain), I'm not so sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-73822501178761663202010-01-23T15:29:45.857-08:002010-01-23T15:29:45.857-08:00That was fast! Thank you.That was fast! Thank you.Mavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06994797939492751433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-8025015933553263412010-01-23T15:11:21.751-08:002010-01-23T15:11:21.751-08:00Hi Helen,
I haven't sen any research indicati...Hi Helen,<br /><br />I haven't sen any research indicating that added fats are harmful. I just try to eat mostly whole foods on principle.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-7511956401791539532010-01-23T15:05:44.249-08:002010-01-23T15:05:44.249-08:00Robert McCleod, the name of the book is "Devi...Robert McCleod, the name of the book is "Devil in the Milk: Illness, Health and the Politics of A1 and A2 Milk", by Kieth Woodford, Professor of Farm Management and Agribusiness at Lincoln University in New Zealand.<br /><br />The genetic mutation in some breeds of cattle that resulted the the serious health problems due to A1 milk apparently occurred several thousand years ago. Most cows in Asia, Africa and parts of southern Europe produce A2 (good) milk, but in the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and northern Europe the majority of cows produce A1 (bad) milk.<br /><br />The Jersey and Guernsey cows favored by raw milk producers because of the high cream content produce A2 (good) milk. Humans, goats, and almost all other animals also produce A2 milk.<br /><br />A healthy gut can break down the BCM7 (beta-casamorphin 7), the problem fragment, a finding which is which was not in the original edition of the book but which is in the post-script of the last edition. So "the milk devil" only gets in the bloodstream of those with unhealthy gut flora.<br /><br />A good understanding the problem of a "leaky gut" can be gained from the book "Gut and Psychology Syndrome by Natasha Campbell McBride. It became clear to me after reading the book that the continuing increase in the incidence of autism and type 1 diabetes is due to the ever increasing use of antibiotics, birth control pills and other drugs that impair gut health and allow BCM7 to enter the bloodstream.<br /><br />BCM7 is also broken down when cream is fermented to make cheese, so even though cheese contains a lot of casein, it contains little BCM7, the problem fragment. Butter and cream contain little casein and thus are not a problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-55420480699001415922010-01-23T15:05:22.598-08:002010-01-23T15:05:22.598-08:00Hi Stephan,
I tend toward a 1:4 butter/sweet-pota...Hi Stephan,<br /><br />I tend toward a 1:4 butter/sweet-potato ratio myself. (Joking.) <br /><br />So, when you say you're playing down added fats because they aren't whole foods (agreed), is this because of research you've seen that added fats are harmful, or because of an assumption (fair) that the macronutrient ratios found in nature are probably the most beneficial? I'm interested not for the sake of argument, but for self-improvement. <br /><br />Thanks again for all your very generous work.Mavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06994797939492751433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-78834639585148096262010-01-23T11:49:35.578-08:002010-01-23T11:49:35.578-08:00Hi Helen,
Added fats aren't whole foods. I s...Hi Helen,<br /><br />Added fats aren't whole foods. I still eat them, but I don't think they should be the major source of calories. I think it's better to eat a sweet potato with a pat of butter than a stick of butter with a little bit of sweet potato on top.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-18488785136799683932010-01-23T08:57:07.373-08:002010-01-23T08:57:07.373-08:00Hi Robert Andrew Brown.
I agree with you; good po...Hi Robert Andrew Brown.<br /><br />I agree with you; good point. What you said applies to many modern food alterations, especially very recent ones.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-1967907927706473372010-01-23T02:39:36.785-08:002010-01-23T02:39:36.785-08:00Ned Kock
I have not read the literature but under...Ned Kock<br /><br />I have not read the literature but understtod modern cattle breed have a genetic milk variant that results in thsi new protein fragment, which is a cause of problems.<br /><br />IF my understanding is correct then whilst milk has been around a long while and many cultures have developed an ability to digest it these new breeds of cows and milk variants have not (-:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Jack Cameron could you please come back and explain more and give the title of the books etcRobert Andrew Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05181027811602620374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-73664223501193657622010-01-22T19:15:26.563-08:002010-01-22T19:15:26.563-08:00Stephan,
Is there any particular reason you'v...Stephan,<br /><br />Is there any particular reason you've cut down on the added fats? And how do you feel with your current diet compared to your older one?Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14504810823521044641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-6727362828969427182010-01-22T16:56:16.979-08:002010-01-22T16:56:16.979-08:00Hi Prag,
My position on carbohydrate since I disc...Hi Prag,<br /><br />My position on carbohydrate since I discovered the Kitava study and other examples of healthy carb-based cultures is that unrefined carbohydrates are fine, particularly for people who are lean and insulin-sensitive. I probably eat 35-40% of my calories as carb at this point, but I don't really measure it. My carb intake comes mostly from root vegetables, soaked/fermented rice, soaked beans and fruit. I've been eating less of the added fats lately.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-88160855781245441182010-01-22T16:36:25.316-08:002010-01-22T16:36:25.316-08:00Stephan,
In one of your comments here you say you...Stephan,<br /><br />In one of your comments here you say you've changed positions on fiber. Have you changed--or are you changing--your position on starch/carbohydrate intake levels? <br /><br />I have been reading your blog almost since day one and recall you've posted about how to prepare lentils, idli and plain rice. And also at one point you posted your personal food pyramid and after "added fats" you had "starchy foods like root vegetables, winter squash, legumes and quinoa" at the very top.<br /><br />Thank you for your wonderful blog.pragahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12522740907513959977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-64169123183193189142010-01-22T07:40:36.528-08:002010-01-22T07:40:36.528-08:00Certain people may have inherited adaptations to m...Certain people may have inherited adaptations to milk consumption that make them less predisposed to developed related diseases.<br /><br />Milk has been around for a while among certain populations; unlike refined carbs, sugars and hydrogenated fats.<br /><br />Stephan, you blog is a reference to many other blogs. If you stop blogging, we may see a mass extinction!Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-84007457624153911862010-01-22T06:51:08.388-08:002010-01-22T06:51:08.388-08:00I have been wondering about the insulin response f...I have been wondering about the insulin response from dairy fat and the saturated dairy fat for a while. i seem to get quite an odd response from dairy(cream and raw cheese) but i love the stuff...<br /><br />i think you still have plenty of blogging! i love your blog. i just dont see how this information with correctly ever be amplified to the publicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-38765507141790001592010-01-22T02:44:13.412-08:002010-01-22T02:44:13.412-08:00Jack Cameron
Thank you for that succinct summary ...Jack Cameron<br /><br />Thank you for that succinct summary on the effect of a genetic variant on milk status that brought together a lot of my loose ends.Robert Andrew Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05181027811602620374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-82754030789937874622010-01-21T17:42:39.272-08:002010-01-21T17:42:39.272-08:00Jack Cameron,
Thanks for reminding me about Nina ...Jack Cameron,<br /><br />Thanks for reminding me about Nina Planck's book Real Food. You are right, that's an excellent introductory book and I've given away many copies. It's especially good for the person who only wants to read one thing and be done with it. I second the recommendation. <br /><br />Nice comment about the milk, too. Mmmmm...Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17033443643442246531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-47499916951079203022010-01-21T17:12:57.817-08:002010-01-21T17:12:57.817-08:00Robert MCLeod said:
"Several of the marks ag...Robert MCLeod said:<br /><br />"Several of the marks against saturated fatty acids in the article are against dairy fats, many of which are found in conjunction with casein."<br /><br />Casein is a protein, not a fat. The ratio of fats to protein in milk as 1:1, whereas in cream and butter it is about 1:80. Milk is difficult to digest for many people because of the casein, but there is so little casein in butter and cream that it seldom presents a problem. <br /><br />The book "Devil in the Milk" by Keith Woodford examines the link between a protein in the milk we drink and a range of serious illnesses. These health problems are linked to a tiny fragment formed when we digest A1 beta-casein, a milk protein present in cows that have a genetic mutation that apparently occurred thousands of years ago. Milk from cows that do not have the genetic mutation, A2 cows such as Jerseys and Guernseys, do not have these problems.<br /><br />The problem fragment is a casa-morphin, an opioid that is strongly correlated with autism, type 1 diabetes and many other problems. The problem casa-morphins are degraded in the digestive system in those with a healthy gut, but in those with unhealthy gut flora, the opioids get into the blood stream and cause havoc. <br /><br />The incidence of type 1 diabetes has been steadily increasing for the last fifty years. It seems likely that the increase is the result of increased use of antibiotics, birth control pills, and other drugs that cause disbiosis, together with the fact that a large percentage of milk comes from A1 cows with the problem a1 beta-casein. High carbohydrate diets increase the problem of bad gut flora.<br /><br />Many of the readers of this blog appreciate the many benefits of raw milk compared to "regular" pasteurized milk. The website www.realmilk.com has hundreds of testimonials from people whose health has greatly benefited from drinking raw milk. It is my opinion that these benefits are due in part to the fact that most raw milk comes from A2 cows such as Guernseys and Jerseys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-16732803520544961322010-01-21T12:05:57.855-08:002010-01-21T12:05:57.855-08:00I lived in Japan for 5 years in the latter half of...I lived in Japan for 5 years in the latter half of the 80s and my experience was that rice portions were always pretty small. And, unlike here, the sushi houses served a large, thick piece of fish on dollop of rice.<br /><br />Other than the fast food craze that had grown to significant proportions even by then, sandwiches seemed to be a rare indulgence.<br /><br />BTW, there's a post on my blog where we're looking into the whole upping carbs via starch question, if anyone want to add to the comments or get some ideas for self-experimentation.<br /><br />http://freetheanimal.com/2010/01/chicken-mashed-potatoes-gravy-and-how-bad-are-carbs.htmlRichard Nikoleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08479556896882145179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-2507874048069329642010-01-21T11:30:10.220-08:002010-01-21T11:30:10.220-08:00Tuck asked: Can you suggest some introductory read...Tuck asked: Can you suggest some introductory reading on Weston Price?<br /><br />"Real Food" by Nina Planck is a very good introduction to the dietary principles of Weston Price. After reading the book I bought several more copies to pass around among friends in order to give them an overview of what "real food" consists of.<br /><br />The author was a vegetarian for a while and suffered health problems as a consequence. She credits her introduction to the principals of Weston Price for her return to good health.<br /><br />Real Food was written before mystery of Dr. Price's "activator x", now known to be vitamin K2, was solved. For this important detail, see the article on vitamin K2 by Chris Masterjohn in the Spring, 2007 edition Wise Traditions, available on the website www.westonaprice.org.<br /><br />The classic book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" by Weston Price, which was recommended by Anna, is fascinating and an excellent addition to any library, but it is not an easy read and is not, in my opinion, the best introductory read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com