tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post9083360805166593820..comments2024-03-27T23:47:41.656-07:00Comments on Whole Health Source: Rats on Junk FoodStephan Guyenethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-35749696534379532172008-08-11T12:34:00.000-07:002008-08-11T12:34:00.000-07:00A doctor's prescription for margarine! That's fun...A doctor's prescription for margarine! That's funny in so many ways. <BR/><BR/>They should have been giving out doctor's prescriptions for grass-fed butter.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-42880384356297962792008-08-11T12:12:00.000-07:002008-08-11T12:12:00.000-07:00There is a lot more choice with food now. When I w...There is a lot more choice with food now. When I was a child, back in the sixties and seventies in New Zealand, we rarely had sweets, cakes or soft drink. Fruit juices were drunk at Xmas time, eating out was maybe once a year and you needed a doctors prescription for margarine. There was no McDonalds and only the super rich could afford KFC or Pizza. It was like North Korea except we had heaps of lamb, milk, butter and potato.<BR/><BR/>Now everyone lives like royalty except without the self control.AngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-67391476608740416582008-08-11T09:49:00.000-07:002008-08-11T09:49:00.000-07:00Debs, Yes, it makes a lot more sense than the "we...Debs,<BR/><BR/> Yes, it makes a lot more sense than the "we're fat because we don't have the iron will of our ancestors" explanation. Previous generations were eating until they were full, just like we do today.<BR/><BR/>Rat chow is miserable stuff. It's not too surprising that they showed a preference for junk food. I don't think that detracts from the finding though. It may suggest that they're overeating because of the superstimulus of the junk food. Although I think it's probably more complicated than that.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-18513556609190002302008-08-11T09:35:00.000-07:002008-08-11T09:35:00.000-07:00To say nothing of "coo-coo for cocoa puffs."I thin...To say nothing of "coo-coo for cocoa puffs."<BR/><BR/>I think the theory that overeating is a symptom rather than a source of the problem makes a lot of sense. Seems like the thing to fix is the damaged metabolism because of the other havoc it could be wreaking. Forcing someone with a damaged metabolism to eat less isn't going to do much good.<BR/><BR/>Hey, how much do rats like rat chow? Maybe they're crazy about it, but I can imagine if I were a rat living in a lab, resigned to a life of rat chow, and someone gave me a bunch of those brownies I was always seeing the grad students get to eat, I'd be pretty psyched too.<BR/><BR/>Debs<BR/><A HREF="http://food.gofrolic.org" REL="nofollow">Food Is Love</A>Debshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09217281333751656056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-51367848719307150732008-08-10T22:26:00.000-07:002008-08-10T22:26:00.000-07:00Ha ha, maybe it should say "you can't stop eating ...Ha ha, maybe it should say "you can't stop eating them until you're dead".Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-6906117132531201912008-08-10T21:15:00.000-07:002008-08-10T21:15:00.000-07:00I've always thought of portion size (or control) a...I've always thought of portion size (or control) as a purely cultural phenomenon but it's interesting to learn of the metabolic causes for it. <BR/>It ties in with the idea of processed and refined foods being similar to addictive drugs. Gives new meaning to that Frito Lays slogan "you can't have just one".Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12825726029706055238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-75898045212061107502008-08-10T16:53:00.000-07:002008-08-10T16:53:00.000-07:00Hmmm, rats eating fattening food got fat. And they...Hmmm, rats eating fattening food got fat. And they preferred it to rat chow. Human analogy: people prefer donuts to oatmeal, and are likely to get fat on the former. I'd say we already knew this.Dennis Manganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16934802482968611507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-58583777588445236782008-08-10T16:00:00.000-07:002008-08-10T16:00:00.000-07:00Sue, Good question. The rats ate 40% more food b...Sue,<BR/><BR/> Good question. The rats ate 40% more food by weight, 56% more by calories. So they weren't just eating more because the food was denser in calories.<BR/><BR/>There are some interesting experiments in rats where researchers diluted their food with indigestible fiber. Rats will eat until they get about the same number of calories as rats on un-diluted food. There really does seem to be a metabolic "set-point" of weight and caloric intake that animals (including humans) prefer.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-47120472086917091952008-08-10T15:50:00.000-07:002008-08-10T15:50:00.000-07:00Stephen,Regarding the junk food rats that ate 56% ...Stephen,<BR/>Regarding the junk food rats that ate 56% more calories. Did it equate to about 56% more food gram for gram they ate or did it end up been 56% more calories because the junk food had more calories per serve than the rat chow?Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03181442844616803097noreply@blogger.com