tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post2202308970217338610..comments2024-03-28T11:29:46.845-07:00Comments on Whole Health Source: Life Expectancy and Growth of Paleolithic vs. Neolithic HumansStephan Guyenethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-69817799341876466772016-02-05T12:56:25.113-08:002016-02-05T12:56:25.113-08:00Citation?Citation?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07382782067971221215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-87965504331526585612016-01-09T21:48:32.716-08:002016-01-09T21:48:32.716-08:00You ignored the fact that 'AVERAGE' life e...You ignored the fact that 'AVERAGE' life expectancy is an AVERAGE... that child mortality plays a role... until rather recently in the west and in act the norm in many places that still live as nomadic the average life expectancy is still 30 yeas... and its 30 years because most children die before their 5th birthday... mostly from childhood diseases that we've manage to overcome in the west....<br /><br />Life expectancy as an average is not something you can use to suggest that one diet or another is better when the primary killer is a disease like syphilis, measles or influenza!Mickelodianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01566367883421200459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-13095910419456763892014-11-11T10:11:07.487-08:002014-11-11T10:11:07.487-08:00Too much red meat is not healthy -PERIOD! Paleolit...Too much red meat is not healthy -PERIOD! Paleolithic man/women made it to 70 if they survived being being the prey vs being the hunter. BIG DEAL! You only want to live to be 70? What about the quality of life in those last years? Paleo is just an excuse to eat more red meat, which is: 1: Bad for the earth (1 1/2 billion cows uses enormous resources and creates catastrophic damage upon our environment) 2: Bad for your health (especially CAFO meat) 3: Mathematically impossible for the entire US population (There is simply not enough grazing land to supply the majority of people a paleo diet of red meat) The ONLY good I see in a paleo diet is weight loss, but there are better ways to lose weight then incurring inflamation and heart disease, just to name a few.ydrivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09365280077331598067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-28662745377643389492014-08-14T06:48:21.383-07:002014-08-14T06:48:21.383-07:00The point about childbirth has me curious. Lieberm...The point about childbirth has me curious. Lieberman points out that our problems with wisdom teeth are probably not, as conventional wisdom would have it, a "failure of evolution." Instead, we no longer eat the high fiber, low energy plants that hunter gatherers eat. These plants will exercise your jaws much more than our low fiber, high starch foods, and as a consequence your jaws will grow to be bigger- accommodating more teeth. I cannot think of a dietary mechanism that would cause a larger pelvic girdle, but perhaps more running and walking might cause this.Fred Kohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13183051424662629145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-29004380139669888252014-08-14T06:28:51.870-07:002014-08-14T06:28:51.870-07:00My interest in this jumped to a whole new level wh...My interest in this jumped to a whole new level when I read <i>The Story of the Human Body</i> by Dan Lieberman. I suspect he would agree with much of this article except the idea that Paleolithic people often died of infectious diseases. Infectious disease rates jump dramatically with population density, and Paleolithic people had a very low population density. I know, I know, not very relevant to diet, but interesting nonetheless.Fred Kohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13183051424662629145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-19496817255386965212014-05-14T10:15:41.225-07:002014-05-14T10:15:41.225-07:00Well this is all great stuff.
I'd just like t...Well this is all great stuff.<br /> I'd just like to mention that without the addition of agriculture human population(s)couldn't/wouldn't be so large nor sustainable. <br /> As we often heard in school, we can feed more people from food groups lower on the food chain than we can from food sources higher on the food chain.<br /> I wonder if socioeconomic factors are more important [see NY Times article from 3/24/14 "Who Lives Longest"<br /> Just gets me the hype about the Paleo Diet; you have to be able to aford it. <br /> Maybe the simplest thing is to cut out the refined sugars and refined salt which I believe the Paleo diet does do.<br /> Anyway, is this time of GMO foods maybe giving up commercially grown grain products it's the way to go. Take care, all.Walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12031434358313959769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-20759959070467094062013-12-31T09:57:21.327-08:002013-12-31T09:57:21.327-08:00also "Several worldwide surveys document that...also "Several worldwide surveys document that the countries with highest animal protein intakes are those with highest hip fracture rates. The proposed explanation of this relationship between animal protein and hip fracture incidence relates to the fact that animal protein is rich in acid-forming, sulfur-containing amino acids and low in base-forming precursors (such as vegetable sources of potassium citrate). Further, the contemporary cultures consuming a high animal protein diet also tend to under-consume vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds, food high in base-forming precursors. This combination contributes to chronic low-grade metabolic acidosis and subsequent bone weakening. The growing body of literature documenting the association between chronic, low-grade metabolic acidosis and bone loss bolsters the argument that high dietary protein, if not balanced with high base-forming precursor intake, can have a detrimental impact on bone."<br /><br />This suggests that post ice age cultures who were eating primarily meat protein diets would have suffered significant bone corruption of some form .<br /><br />http://www.betterbones.com/bonenutrition/protein/benefits.aspxMary Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08119257512126983804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-66970922403689491372013-12-30T17:08:34.210-08:002013-12-30T17:08:34.210-08:00I don't understand how a judgement can be form...I don't understand how a judgement can be formed about life expectancy vs diet this far back. How is it possible to know exactly the proportion of protein vs vegetables vs cereals vs fruit eaten by paleolithic vs neolithic humans? If you read the results of the 'China Study' a max of 10% protein is adequate and beyond that is more likely to support cancer growth. A significantly higher vegetarian diet is healthiest. Cancer research UK says the haem in red meat is an irritant and raises the risk of cancer of the gut, but ancients wouldn't be aware of this, they'd have died before these diseases were that noticable. Or could they have died because this diet was high protein. Neanderthals lived in Northern Europe between ice age fluctuations, may have mixed wiht Homo Sapian had a high protein diet and died out ? Mary Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08119257512126983804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-56076600204410692512013-10-10T14:01:44.485-07:002013-10-10T14:01:44.485-07:00I think OP made too many speculations with too lit...I think OP made too many speculations with too little proven supports.<br /><br />The Eskimo (Inuit, you don't call them Eskimo nowadays) women example of difficulty in childbirth isn't unique to a hunter/gatherer society transitioning into modern time. The same things happen in agricultural to modern transition. <br /><br />Where I came from, the population half a century ago was mostly farmers and according to my mom, women back then had rather easy time giving birth, albeit with a much higher birth fatality rate. With agri population dwindling to less than 10%, yes, you see a lot women now have to do c-sec (both my sister and sister-in law) when giving birth. The difference is the active vs. non-active life style. I doubt nutrition plays much in it.<br /><br />And, I think birth fatality rate in neolithic era is probably as high as in paeleo era. The life expectancy after adolescence in either times probably didn't differ in any way significant, from some of the info I read. And wars have happened in most part of human "history", not exclusive to paeleo/agri societies (really, there were too many speculations). Paeleo ancestors might be as healthy as neo ones. But to say the paeleo old men were healthier, that's comparing apples to oranges. With the help of modern medicine, a lot of guys get to live to a very old age, with diseases and there was no such men to survive in paeleo time for a legit comparison. But you wouldn't compare the modern healthy old guys to their paeleo counterpart.<br /><br />Just my 2 cents.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03773188451048175686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-9759342324414993372013-07-08T20:10:21.453-07:002013-07-08T20:10:21.453-07:00I think the "paleo" diet is overrated as...I think the "paleo" diet is overrated as well. We can only speculate on their health and we know that most died young for whatever reason. On the other hand, we have real life, modern day, evidence-based research on living people that gives the best chance to keep you plenty healthy and vibrant. Its called the Blue Zone diet. But really its diet and lifestyle: plant based diet, including beans (legumes are commonly consumed in blue zones), strong family bonds, social engagement and consistent physical activity. So, there you go.DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09129918132505183863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-31910316470480514362013-02-11T16:08:05.894-08:002013-02-11T16:08:05.894-08:00"why did paleolithic people have a shorter li..."why did paleolithic people have a shorter life expectancy than we do today?", we should ask "how did the life expectancy of paleolithic people compare to that of pre-industrial neolithic people?" <br /><br />So rather than answer the question you change the question and answer that, I'd rather you answer the question!<br /><br />How about I'll answer for you. Paleolithic people lived less long than us because diet isn't the determining factor as to why we live longer, but a range of lifestyle differences including better health care, modern medicine, scientific advances, better clothing, warmer homes.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-62860516718991738482012-10-22T19:44:10.918-07:002012-10-22T19:44:10.918-07:00Paleolithic man lived healthy in their 90's. H...Paleolithic man lived healthy in their 90's. However their bones look like bones of people in their 30's by today's classification. So it confuses our findings. <br />healthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14687020950856226912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-11711745163595285372012-09-18T13:35:27.307-07:002012-09-18T13:35:27.307-07:00Old Testament is 3000 yrs old? Try 5000 years. Als...Old Testament is 3000 yrs old? Try 5000 years. Also, while I agree paleo is the way we should eat for optimal health, the bible states man is to work or toil by the sweat of his brow. it does not mention bread. And G-d didn't dole that out, he just told them what they got themselves in to by not obeying. Also, in obedience and Eden, they didnt eat grain. They ate fruit and while not mentioned specifically, I assume meat from the kids sacrifices. Paleo :)mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04346426805911827668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-12344388885636608402012-06-16T08:19:35.212-07:002012-06-16T08:19:35.212-07:00I've just spent the morning studying Paleo vs....I've just spent the morning studying Paleo vs. Neo in regards to stature. I specualte alongside you that deaths were trauma-induced causing the life expectancy to be much shorter. I'm sure there are numerous times many of us would have died already had we not the access to technology that we do now. <br />Interesting summary of information, I especially enjoyed the tidbit about the Eskimo women birthing so naturally. It reminds me of a documentary I watched recently called Orgasmic Birth, but that is another topic :]<br /><br />Cheers!Tiffany D. Davidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07709739637831945313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-62945969695779729032011-09-17T14:10:35.548-07:002011-09-17T14:10:35.548-07:00Fertility... what do you assess about this theory ...Fertility... what do you assess about this theory ... people always say 'eat for fertility' for the best diet but there is this 'pleiotropy theory of aging':<br />"This system is highly likely to remain the way it has evolved<br />because of the antagonistic pleiotropy theory of aging, which asserts<br />that selection for early reproductive success permits deleterious<br />effects on fitness in later life because genes that are operative during<br />development are also operative in later life, but exert different effects<br />on health.26 Indeed, because the lack of negative feedback ensures<br />maintenance of the drive to procreation mediated by testosterone,<br />the present evolutionary state (without a mechanism of limiting<br />free T) may already represent the desirable ultimate of evolution as<br />far as propagation of the species is concerned."<br />(text is from 'acne and cancer.pdf': <a href="http://robbwolf.com/2011/09/13/the-paleo-solution-episode-97/#comment-47146" rel="nofollow">http://robbwolf.com/2011/09/13/the-paleo-solution-episode-97/#comment-47146</a>)gwarmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00059000185578090757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-41390997940543721032011-04-22T16:45:31.260-07:002011-04-22T16:45:31.260-07:00The story of Cain and Abel (agricultural revolutio...The story of Cain and Abel (agricultural revolution) (AA's "transition from wild man to civilized man") is retold in the philosophical novel "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn (1992).bunkhabithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00391857854161646423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-90523922247717252192011-04-22T16:43:39.166-07:002011-04-22T16:43:39.166-07:00The story of Cain and Abel (Agricultural Revolutio...The story of Cain and Abel (Agricultural Revolution) (AA's "transition from wild man to civilized man") is retold in the philosophical novel "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn (1992).bunkhabithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00391857854161646423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-85956314465498316902009-03-01T03:11:00.000-08:002009-03-01T03:11:00.000-08:00Yeah really interesting and it goes along with thi...Yeah really interesting and it goes along with this book's whole idea: The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight<BR/>recommend itAlexandre Costahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00980965185389586696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-12135767343477367432008-08-19T11:09:00.000-07:002008-08-19T11:09:00.000-07:00This is really really interesting stuff.This is really really interesting stuff.Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13122275633866201135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-2964205515809821412008-08-06T13:46:00.000-07:002008-08-06T13:46:00.000-07:00The dietary and physiological factors could also b...The dietary and physiological factors could also be partly why the use of midwives are less common these days (in addition to the long lingering cultural aftermath of the witch hunts which stemmed from superstition, psychological repression and class/gender oppression).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12825726029706055238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-85863178192861278212008-08-06T11:47:00.000-07:002008-08-06T11:47:00.000-07:00AA,Interesting point. I wonder if that concept wa...AA,<BR/><BR/>Interesting point. I wonder if that concept was passed on from early agriculturalists who saw the effects of their new lifestyle. The old testament is from about 3,000 years ago, so maybe the authors still had an oral history of the paleolithic/neolithic transition.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-91151117546776551542008-08-06T11:27:00.000-07:002008-08-06T11:27:00.000-07:00The Old Testament mentions the travails of childbi...The Old Testament mentions the travails of childbirth as one of the curses inflicted on women after the fall. It seems the bad effects of leaving the Garden of Eden (Hunter Gatherer world) and having to “earn thy bread by the sweat of thy brow” (agriculturalism) was noticed long ago. I’ve often thought that the Garden of Eden story was an allegory for the transition from wild man to civilized man. The ancients knew that this path was cursed.AngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.com