tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post4031083052555126704..comments2024-03-27T23:47:41.656-07:00Comments on Whole Health Source: Harvard Food Law Society "Forum on Food Policy" TEDx ConferenceStephan Guyenethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-47542112812463165392012-11-04T04:11:59.336-08:002012-11-04T04:11:59.336-08:00Congratulations on being on the panel.
Let me ju...Congratulations on being on the panel. <br /><br />Let me just say that I'm a little disappointed that you, the person I consider to be probably the most reasonable and probably the most important voice in the nutrition debate, didn't challenge some of the things I know you disagree with. Having said that, I now that it was partly due to the moderator's ignorance, as well as the inappropriate behavior of Dr. Lustig, who interrupted you at least twice by stealing your mic. I sincerily hope that next time you will act less passively in this sort of situation, because I believe your opinions and analysis should be heard for the good of everyone. <br /><br />At one point in the discussion Dr Willet said (49:25 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaLbq1H958s): "I'm absolutely, 100% sure - if you replace red meat with the combination of nuts and legumes you will reduce your heart disease risk". Although I know it is a really unscientific thing to say, I would like to ask you if there is any evidence supporting this assumption that you know of.<br /><br />Thank you for the incredible work you're doing here and good luck in the future. <br /><br /><br /><br />Thankselbatrofmochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16451090242017940286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-59121431983428921672011-11-05T09:24:48.302-07:002011-11-05T09:24:48.302-07:00>>> how long is it going to take us to do...>>> how long is it going to take us to do something about it?<br /><br />it is not theirs to do. There is a special place in hell, right next to the ovens, for these do-gooder nanny-state Stalinists.<br /><br />First thing to be done is to cut off all tax dollars going to them.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160350570530717935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-21083583151751844362011-11-04T22:00:30.971-07:002011-11-04T22:00:30.971-07:00http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/10/den...http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/10/denmark-came-for-your-sugar-and-trans.html<br /><br />Denmark Came For Your Sugar and Trans Fats, Now They Are Coming For Your Saturated Fat. When They Come for You, Will There Be Any Macronutrient Left to Object on Your Behalf?nolveghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10078587187596967471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-8214822339288714462011-11-01T06:50:49.737-07:002011-11-01T06:50:49.737-07:00Stephan, In case you or anyone else is interested,...Stephan, In case you or anyone else is interested, the speaker who made the clown comment and discussed issues relating to marketing food to children is Jennifer Pomeranz from the Yale Rudd Center. Her info is here: <br /><br />http://www.yaleruddcenter.org/who_we_are.aspx?id=333Toddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04321032454666665349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-70062343015903008192011-11-01T06:49:48.254-07:002011-11-01T06:49:48.254-07:00Stephan,
Have you seen this article by Ludwig and...Stephan,<br /><br />Have you seen this article by Ludwig and Willet from New England Journal of Medicine. They seem to be pretty clear about their views on saturated fat.<br /><br />http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1107075?query=TOCJasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784934499465685039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-24648443757970705512011-10-28T10:00:50.200-07:002011-10-28T10:00:50.200-07:00To tempt a few people to actually take a look, her...To tempt a few people to actually take a look, here’s a gist of the story at the link I gave a couple days ago.<br /><br />Man observes something in lab experiment that “can’t happen”. He believes it anyway and confirms it for himself. When he tells colleagues about it, he’s laughed at and asked to leave his research group.<br /><br />Struggling on, he publishes 2½ years later. Since it IS a simple experiment that others can carry out in a few days, “all hell breaks loose”.<br /><br />Note that we are not talking medical/nutritional research, riven with vague definitions, squishy data, hordes of confounding variables, and seen through a thick statistical filter. This is simple, lab-bench physical chemistry. Still, X-ray crystallographers refused to believe it until, three years later, they could use their preferred technology to check it out. Double Nobel laureate Linus Pauling never does accept it.<br /><br />Much earlier a few mathematicians playing around with some completely useless geometric ideas came up with structures that some theoretical chemists had used to make models of peculiar substances that didn’t exist...until they did. The new kind of materials is subsequently found both in nature and in some man-made things. A diversity of innovative practical applications are in the works.<br /><br />Final result: Science recognizes a new state of matter, and the original guy gets a Nobel Prize in chemistry.<br /><br />The linked site has a nice picture.JBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04335845681080553536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-39801196312538558722011-10-28T02:37:58.876-07:002011-10-28T02:37:58.876-07:00If you want to live in a villa that is near a vaca...If you want to live in a villa that is near a vacation destination with lots of activities to offer, Pattaya, Thailand is the best choice for you.<br /><a href="http://pattayabeachproperties.com" rel="nofollow">Property in Pattaya | Condos House Rental Properties | Pattaya Villas Properties</a>Bon Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01207084048393142568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-50226610556193483882011-10-27T22:40:43.154-07:002011-10-27T22:40:43.154-07:00You have some interesting thoughts! Perhaps we sho...You have some interesting thoughts! Perhaps we should contemplate about attempting this myself.<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow">CCTV Karachi</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-13098583211297768902011-10-26T11:54:19.612-07:002011-10-26T11:54:19.612-07:00"There were some history of science classes. ..."There were some history of science classes. We were taught that new evidence didn't change the minds of the elders in a field. Instead, younger generations would be swayed."<br /><br />It's off the subject not just of this post but of this blog...but it's too beautiful not to share. See:<br /><br />http://www.itroodon.com/2011/10/nobel-prize-chemistry/<br /><br />for a superb example of the progress of science that exhibits both the openness and the closedness of minds.<br /><br />It also illustrates the foolishness of efforts to predict in advance the "the promise of broader impacts" of proposed work on the practical world, as NSF currently asks grant proposals to do.<br /><br />The article is from Science magazine, but membership in AAAS is required to access it on their site.JBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04335845681080553536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-38497476995331546332011-10-25T19:55:39.775-07:002011-10-25T19:55:39.775-07:00Daniel,
As Kamal said, "...maybe job securi...Daniel, <br /><br />As Kamal said, "...maybe job security dictates a little covering your ears and closing your eyes..." I'm pretty sure Willet would offer little insight to any well-rounded nutrition researcher or even hobbyist.<br /><br />Raza, <br /><br />Yes, but France knows what's up. Melissa of Huntgatherlove linked to an article about France requiring meat in school lunches.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05161850700121191487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-84437152220161703302011-10-25T12:40:41.939-07:002011-10-25T12:40:41.939-07:00I think a sugar tax is a really bad idea. It's...I think a sugar tax is a really bad idea. It's a slippery slope - what will prevent a saturated fat tax, a cholesterol tax, an animal product tax? Certainly not science. We all know that the government doesn't understand nutrition, and I think looking to the government for solutions is counterproductive.Razahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13513058570319352266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-33047734161820391612011-10-25T10:29:21.401-07:002011-10-25T10:29:21.401-07:00Stephan,
Were you able to ask Willet what he thin...Stephan, <br />Were you able to ask Willet what he thinks about evidence linking PUFAs (especially omega 6) to cancer. In humans, there's the Lyon Diet Heart trial and the Veterans trial (Pearce). Lots of evidence in rats, mice, other animals. Decent (but conflicting) epidemiological evidence, especially from places, like outside of the United States, where the saturated fat = death message wasn't broadcast so loudly. All together, it's very compelling evidence in my opinion.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01134204345682038178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-28772949662367649572011-10-25T06:34:33.273-07:002011-10-25T06:34:33.273-07:00Not a fan of taxing sugar. I am, however, a fan of...Not a fan of taxing sugar. I am, however, a fan of subsidizing fruits and vegetables instead of corn and soy. This would make the price of whole foods drop while adjusting the price of meats to what is actually more reasonable (meat is way too cheap in this country IMHP).Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11757839370870371917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-68607367790668679642011-10-25T03:21:26.881-07:002011-10-25T03:21:26.881-07:00I was a physics major in college. There were some ...I was a physics major in college. There were some history of science classes. We were taught that new evidence didn't change the minds of the elders in a field. Instead, younger generations would be swayed. Then, as the elders retired, the beliefs of the next generation would come to dominate the field. <br /><br />As long as Willet maintains political power, his beliefs will carry weight, and he is unlikely to change his beliefs. We can only hope that the next generation is exposed to better data and analysis, and is ready to fill the power vacuum when the old guard steps down. <br /><br />It's heartening that Dr Stephan participated in this conference, it's a sign of the succession path. Stephan, you'll need to practice your assertiveness if you want to be infuential. I imagine that it is contrary to your core philosophies to try and dominate others, but you need that type of strength to not be dominated by others. You have a duty to get your perspective out there to help the rest of us. <br /><br />Thank your for your service.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02404726297092447442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-80965173576295749312011-10-25T00:28:59.134-07:002011-10-25T00:28:59.134-07:00In the conference there was some high points on ve...In the conference there was some high points on vegetarian lifestyle you can catch these points on the ted websites!!<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.drclarkstore.com/" rel="nofollow">Dr Clark</a>Dr. Clark Storehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17935756111763466176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-85895633226718533402011-10-24T23:33:48.043-07:002011-10-24T23:33:48.043-07:00Good points raised re: pigovian taxes and "pu...Good points raised re: pigovian taxes and "public health". I think I'll reconsider my position on it.Jahed Momandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06121835180921802611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-87630899241272511822011-10-24T21:49:28.766-07:002011-10-24T21:49:28.766-07:00Hi Caira,
Yes, parents can mostly control what th...Hi Caira,<br /><br />Yes, parents can mostly control what their children eat, but the fact is, advertising to children causes children to eat more junk food, otherwise the food companies wouldn't waste their money. It works because kids request it from their parents, and not all parents are as resolute or as educated about food as you are.<br /><br />Hi David,<br /><br />Thanks for he kind words.<br /><br />Hi Garry,<br /><br />There was general agreement that saturated fat is not much of an issue. Willett recommends replacing it with PUFA, but that's because he thinks PUFA are protective, not that SFA are particularly harmful. I can't say I find that line of reasoning very compelling myself.<br /><br />I have a high regard for Chris Ramsden's work on the n-6/3 PUFA distinction in clinical trials. Willett seems to pay little attention to the n-3/6 distinction, simply recommending increased PUFA intake. <br /><br />He is probably right that n-6 PUFA don't simply increase inflammation as part of normal dietary patterns, at least not to any large degree. However, they do change inflammatory signaling pathways in a complex manner, interfere with n-3 pathways and increase oxidative stress when consumed excessively. Not only that, but in the form of refined seed oils, they are stripped of their natural protective compounds, and form unhealthy oxidized by-products when used in cooking.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-64612044474666519992011-10-24T12:54:44.970-07:002011-10-24T12:54:44.970-07:00Stephan,
Congrats on being invited to a panel wit...Stephan,<br /><br />Congrats on being invited to a panel with such heavy-hitters.<br /><br />As to Dr. Willett's PUFA recommendations, what are your thoughts on his lumping n-6s and n-3s together into the generic 'PUFAs' category as he seems to do? I'm thinking of the work of Ramsden and Hibbeln that teased out the details regarding dietary PUFAs (n3 vs. n6)and came to a different conclusion than Willett, Mozaffarian, et al.<br /><br />Do you agree with Dr. Willett that n6's do not contribute to inflammation?<br /><br />Finally, was there any discussion as to the recent papers suggesting saturated fats are relatively benign? Is the "saturated fats are bad" mantra still alive and well in those circles?<br /><br />Thanks for any thoughts.Garryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17492210048326209832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-33134274173579177702011-10-24T12:43:31.928-07:002011-10-24T12:43:31.928-07:00One simple policy solution might be to eliminate t...One simple policy solution might be to eliminate the tariffs on imported sugar and eliminating sugar and corn subsidies. Sugar and corn sweeteners are two of the most subsidized commodities on the planet thanks to our industrial agricultural policies. In fact, we should get rid of all agricultural subsidies (and every other subsidy as well, but I digress). That would be a great start.allisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00035675984343369850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-7079310713193199912011-10-24T12:25:39.176-07:002011-10-24T12:25:39.176-07:00Your emerging prominence is well-deserved. It is ...Your emerging prominence is well-deserved. It is amazing to see how the internet has helped quicken the rise of the cream. I found WholeHealthSource about sixteen months ago. Without the internet it would have been a few more years before I would have had any chance of running into a book or article you might have written.David Pierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16326578313240027846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-44249868010105552942011-10-24T11:45:57.464-07:002011-10-24T11:45:57.464-07:00Given the unconventionality of the views that are ...Given the unconventionality of the views that are held by many in the "ancestral health" community, it's surprising that there is at least some support here for govt dietary nudging.<br /><br />I don't think low carbers are likely to be happy with a meat taxNew Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04799493668420550166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-75602615111638715572011-10-24T11:33:56.497-07:002011-10-24T11:33:56.497-07:00I agree with Cliff, the biggest problem with a sug...I agree with Cliff, the biggest problem with a sugar tax is that the evidence that sugar is harmful is simply pretty weak.Colldénhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664747492507357479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-82232687281991578072011-10-24T08:55:06.964-07:002011-10-24T08:55:06.964-07:00It's more efficient and reasonable to change e...It's more efficient and reasonable to change entitlement program directives than laws relating to the general public as a whole.<br /><br />Was that discussed?bentleyj74https://www.blogger.com/profile/10392630441060383111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-74250405004792809172011-10-24T07:25:52.791-07:002011-10-24T07:25:52.791-07:00Carl,
"keep in mind that the government type...<b>Carl,</b><br /><br />"keep in mind that the government types also would like to tax saturated fats as well"...<br /><br />(That's just i was about to say before reading your comment - with a small addition:)<br />...as they did in Denmark where all foods with SFA content > 2,3% are now taxed and each kilo of pure saturated fat costs about 3$ more.<br />Anyway, I wouldn't rely on goverment regulations in and around health, especially seeing that they are working in an opposite direction (S510 in US, C-36 in Canada, THMPD in EU and so on).<br /><br />As for restaurants, even if we assume keeping them from substituting fats is possible, they're cheating with other stuff as well and there are not so many healthy dishes in the menu anyway.<br />Last time when ate in a restaurant was abot five years ago. Having no access to home-made food, I'd better go buy myself some bananas.nolveghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10078587187596967471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-91266077865786617932011-10-24T07:20:36.996-07:002011-10-24T07:20:36.996-07:00I'd like to respond as a parent of impressiona...I'd like to respond as a parent of impressionable children. I have 3 kids, ages 7, 5, and 3. They haven't been effected by McDonald's marketing (or any other company), because they only watch an hour of PBS a week, with no ads. Turn off the TV, and the marketing is virtually gone. The kids figure out how to entertain themselves.<br /><br />Parents are fully capable of moderating the child's environment, and you don't have to be a recluse to do it.<br /><br />Our friends are relatively health conscious, so I don't have to worry about snacks on play dates. There is more sugar at their school than I'd like, but I don't want to make them dysfunctional around sugar by my prohibiting it. Overall sugar consumption for them is pretty low.<br /><br />I do recognize that I have the means to afford unprocessed foods, the time to cook it, and enough education to recognize crap when I see it. I realize not everyone is in the same position. While I don't feel the need to change laws regarding marketing to children, I can see that it might make a positive difference to other families.<br /><br />I am already frustrated by laws regarding what I can and cannot eat (raw milk, for example). I would not be in favor of more laws regarding what foods should be available.<br /><br />I would, however, like to see the Farm Bill changed so that processed foods aren't artificially cheap.Cairahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14427778664504747608noreply@blogger.com