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I am writing just to introduce myself. My nam...Hi, <br />I am writing just to introduce myself. My name is<br />Chintan, and I also have a blog in the health niche.<br />The URL is<br /><br />http://yourhealthyourwellness.blogspot.com<br /><br />I found your content very interesting, and I will<br />definitely be recommending it to my readers.<br /><br />Best wishes,<br />ChintanChintan Popathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01927208442285099713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-5775214078356132652012-07-01T13:38:34.869-07:002012-07-01T13:38:34.869-07:00I did a thorough critique of this study for my Wei...I did a thorough critique of this study for my Weightology Weekly subscribers, uncovering 23 major problems with it. Bottom line is that I do not consider the study results reliable at all, and it should be taken with a grain of salt. I'm surprised it actually made it past peer review, especially in JAMA.James Kriegerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922537744815539996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-86484883054959432622012-07-01T13:04:06.324-07:002012-07-01T13:04:06.324-07:00Things like basal metabolic rate and thermic affec...Things like basal metabolic rate and thermic affect of food do not predict adiposty.<br /><br />Do your research folks.Kindkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15841418412425329998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-72146938342683008522012-07-01T12:21:12.032-07:002012-07-01T12:21:12.032-07:00@Jim
I do the same thing and it works great.@Jim<br /><br />I do the same thing and it works great.Drew Stearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06921821698938219378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-65443053262654849672012-07-01T05:21:24.137-07:002012-07-01T05:21:24.137-07:00Stephen, thanks for a very balanced and clear pres...Stephen, thanks for a very balanced and clear presentation. These results are interesting, but I wonder about their real significance. In my personal experience, it takes more than four weeks to get fully adapted to a high fat, low carb diet. I suspect the changes observed (both good and bad) on the VLC diet may disappear after a longer adaptation period, and of the three diets studied, the VLC arm likely required the most adaptation (e.g. gut flora changes, bile acid production, ketone metabolism, etc.). This might also explain why longer term studies generally show some level of weight regain on all diets, including VLC diets.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00966592489321207595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-7302645098432687172012-06-30T23:13:24.358-07:002012-06-30T23:13:24.358-07:00http://www.members.shaw.ca/hsri/same-calories.htmhttp://www.members.shaw.ca/hsri/same-calories.htmTom Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07655326387715137648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-88620453223299377292012-06-30T19:57:32.947-07:002012-06-30T19:57:32.947-07:00My personal experimentation shows that the best ca...My personal experimentation shows that the best carbohydrate level to maintain low fat mass matches my glycogen usage, which is low unless I exercise intensely for prolonged periods.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01237465111190530578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-60638260918680741362012-06-30T18:27:01.189-07:002012-06-30T18:27:01.189-07:00Great information - as usual! Thank you!Great information - as usual! Thank you!Deirdrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00751780851560880363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-11072313457401487182012-06-30T18:21:55.466-07:002012-06-30T18:21:55.466-07:00Very informative post :) Thanks!Very informative post :) Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-4541123566034735702012-06-30T18:04:12.592-07:002012-06-30T18:04:12.592-07:00I liked this study, and Dr Lugwid doesn't over...I liked this study, and Dr Lugwid doesn't oversell the results.<br />Question; if we burn off an extra 300 kcal as heat on VLC, why don't we just increase our food intake to compensate? I mean, how does this result in weightloss any differently from, say, exercising more, or eating less?<br />I know it DOES in fact make a difference, but not through a direct counting-calories mechanism is my guess; rather, through hormonal effects on appetite, and restorative effects of ketone bodies on nerves involved in energy balance.Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-66561001986348724092012-06-30T08:09:34.672-07:002012-06-30T08:09:34.672-07:00Should we be at all suspicious that Dr. Ludwig is ...Should we be at all suspicious that Dr. Ludwig is a big advocate of the low glycemic diet, which, lo and behold, fares the best in this study? Or am I being too cynical?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-91392299381813242662012-06-30T07:38:48.307-07:002012-06-30T07:38:48.307-07:00If you look at the actual graph some peoples TEE d...If you look at the actual graph some peoples TEE decreased going from LF to LC<br /><br />http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=3680Keenanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15710975434667834631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-7072969809090309602012-06-30T06:59:16.116-07:002012-06-30T06:59:16.116-07:00Calories have everything to do with how much energ...Calories have everything to do with how much energy is liberated from *burning* a substance. Calories have very little to do with biological processes, which do not involve combustion.<br /><br />The outdated , down and out, down for the count Caloric Hypothesis considers food for its combustive chemical eneregy and completely ignores what actually happens to food molecules in the body.<br /><br />Shysters from the equally fradulent commercial weight loss industry who make their living duping the public on the Internet will never admit this.<br /><br />Overeating, of course is bad for health, but the phenomenon of morbid obesity is far mor ecomplex.<br /><br />We are finally starting to actually get to the heart of obesity. The first step is to DISCARD the Calorc Hypothesis. There is more than enough evidence for this now. <br /><br />Genuine science never stands still and it is moving in the completely OPPOSITE direction from the simplistic and outdated Caloric Hypothesis model of obesity. This does not mean, however, that we understand obvesity well. We have vast oceans of unknwons to discover. What we knwo about obesity is pathetically paltry.<br /><br /> Science has convincingly shown that obesity is NOT "the passive accumulation of calories" OR that "fat tissue is an inactive storage despot". In fact, fat tissue is a genuine endocrine organ as Dr Jeffrey Friedman and Dr. Leibel have shown .<br /><br />The more we move away from Internet shysters the better off we ALL will be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-51855128928284126182012-06-30T04:41:02.708-07:002012-06-30T04:41:02.708-07:00I though Don Matesz did a good job of tearing this...I though Don Matesz did a good job of tearing this apart:<br /><br />http://donmatesz.blogspot.fr/<br /><br />I think we can estimate a diet's quality by its fiber content. Where was the fiber in the low-fat diet supposedly based on fruits and vegetables?gunther gathererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15361732213105267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-2642877674231869272012-06-30T04:35:58.345-07:002012-06-30T04:35:58.345-07:00@Richard
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I think it's...Thanks for reply Stephen buddy, <br /><br />I think it's you who "do not see the whole picture". If you plug in the lipid patterns of Ornish trial patients to Framingham score table and compare them to someone who is on the Atkins diet, the Ornish fares not so good in comparison while the clinical reality is completely different as measured by the angiogram.<br /><br />Do you seriously think that butter consumption (elevates HDL) gives us better risk profile against CVD and CHD?<br /><br />I think it's rather clear that elevated HDL in the context of low-carb diets is not a good thing. I'd choose the lipid profiles of the LF group anyday over the lipid profiles of the others, and I think the designer of the Framingam risk score, Bill Castelli, would do the same:<br /><br />Heart Disease Risk: Cholesterol and Lipids in 2011<br /> What Do We Really Know?<br />http://www.prescription2000.com/Interview-Transcripts/2011-02-18-william-castelli-heart-disease-lipids-transcript.htmlPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904866274339527690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-1906812189578760162012-06-29T22:24:44.889-07:002012-06-29T22:24:44.889-07:00Thanks for reply Stephen buddy,
"Regarding ...Thanks for reply Stephen buddy, <br /><br />"Regarding lipids, once again you're only considering half the picture...."<br /><br />I tend to think that it's actually you who is thinking "only the half picture". <br /><br />If you plug in the lipid patterns of Ornish 1990 trial patients in the Framingham and compare them to someone who is on the Atkins diet, the Framingham risk pattern tells us that Ornish fares not-so-good, whereas the actual angiogram gives us totally different picture. Ornish diet actually reverses heart-disease, and Atkins increase your risk of getting it (Atkins himself had 30-40% of his arteries clogged). Hence, one should be quite skeptical with the Framingham risk index, especially while keeping mind everything that has come out in regards to lipid-research during the last years. Do you seriuously think butter consumption (raises HDL) indicates better risk profile in terms of heart disease? <br /><br />I would choose anyday the lipid profiles of the LF group over the other's, and I believe so would the Framingham score designer Bill Castelli as well:<br /><br />Heart Disease Risk: Cholesterol and Lipids in 2011<br /> What Do We Really Know?<br />http://www.prescription2000.com/Interview-Transcripts/2011-02-18-william-castelli-heart-disease-lipids-transcript.html<br /><br />I think it's clear, elevated HDL in the context of high-fat diets is not a good thing, no matter what the Framingham risk index tells us: <br /><br />1) Doubt Cast on the ‘Good’ in ‘Good Cholesterol’ (May, 2012)<br /><br />"I’d say the HDL hypothesis is on the ropes right now,” said Dr. James A. de Lemos, a professor at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.."<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/health/research/hdl-good-cholesterol-found-not-to-cut-heart-risk.html?_r=2&hp <br /><br />2)Some HDL, or "Good" Cholesterol, May Not Protect Against Heart Disease (2012)<br /><br />http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2012-releases/hdl-cholesterol-heart-disease.html<br /><br />3) GOod' HDL Cholesterol Can Also Be 'Bad' (2012)<br /><br />"the HDL amplified inflammatory reactions several times over and could explain the latent chronic inflammation that is associated with high cardiovascular risk," <br /><br />"Lowering the LDL level is therefore still even more important than raising the HDL level."<br /><br />http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120113210207.htm<br /><br />4) HDL Not Always the Good Cholesterol We Think Says University of Chicago Study (2008)<br /><br />http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Health/2008/20081201-HDLNotAlwaysTheGood.htm<br /><br />5) Consumption of saturated fat impairs the anti-inflammatory properties of high-density lipoproteins and endothelial function<br /> <br />"Consumption of a saturated fat reduces the anti-inflammatory potential of HDL and impairs arterial endothelial function. In contrast, the anti-inflammatory activity of HDL improves after consumption of polyunsaturated fat. These findings highlight novel mechanisms by which different dietary fatty acids may influence key atherogenic processes"<br /> <br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539<br /><br />The patients with FH usually end up with athrosclerosis at very a young age even despite that the only risk marker they have non-optimal is the LDL. HDL, triglycerides, C-protein, etc no matter what they are, won't be helping their cause. This fact alone should reveal the hiearchy of the biomarkers.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904866274339527690noreply@blogger.com