tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post4928886817558027891..comments2024-03-28T11:29:46.845-07:00Comments on Whole Health Source: Butter, Margarine and Heart DiseaseStephan Guyenethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-54783364368801283422014-06-27T22:11:49.626-07:002014-06-27T22:11:49.626-07:00 Insufficient potassium and vitamin B-1 (thiami... Insufficient potassium and vitamin B-1 (thiamin) can not damage the heart significantly when both are deficient. This has important safety implications when supplementing each during heart disease, arrhythmias, rheumatoid arthritis, high blood pressure, gout, beri-beri, or diabetes caused or influenced by the deficiency of one of them. It is extremely important to know which kind of heart disease is involved. You may see this discussed in detail in http://charles_w.tripod.com/kandthiamin.html . This is probably the primary reason why the medical profession has not been able to prevent heart disease up to date and why potassium supplements cause neutral mortality statistics. Researchers almost across the board think that potassium has little impact on the body or/and is never deficient. This is a mistaken assumption. Most food processing procedures cause losses. Enormous attention is given to a single murder or handful of murders, while at the same time the food industry causing 500 thousand deaths from heart disease alone, gets almost no coverage. This is because a considerable fraction of their profits goes to promulgating these disasters by advertising and bribing politicians. Even the medical profession is responsible by procedures in hospital cafeterias.<br /> Copper is crucial for strength of arteries because of its role as part of lysil oxidase, which cross links elastin tissue. A deficiency is probably the main cause of aneurisms and therefore many strokes, hemorrhoids, and many bleeding problems, as well as high blood cholesterol and is probably involved by a synergistic affect in the cause of diabetes by chili pepper (see http://charles_w.tripod.com/diabetes.html ). You may see how to increase copper from food in http://charles_w.tripod.com/copper3.html and a discussion of copper physiology in http://charles_w.tripod.com/copper.html . Finding ways to repair the heart is useful, but there is no good substitute for not damaging it in the first place.<br /> You also may find a book about potassium nutrition as it relates to heart disease, gout, rheumatoid arthritis, high blood pressure, and diabetes, useful for your library. Its availability is through Paypal along with its introduction, table of contents and first two chapters may be accessed in http://charles_w.tripod.com/book.html .<br /> Sincerely, Charles Weber isoptera@att.net<br />PS Dr. Rastmanesh, a nutritionist from Iran, would like to secure a position in an English speaking university. He has an impressive CV. If you know of an opening I will send you his CV. It is a travesty to leave that fine researcher over in that criminal country after he has gotten rid of rheumatoid arthritis for us.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05069711348500228292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-52757396813567076182013-06-21T12:10:02.298-07:002013-06-21T12:10:02.298-07:00This is one of those articles that serve as a wake...This is one of those articles that serve as a wake up call for people who consume margarine a lot. I used to do that, but not anymore.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07011187358286048282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-60405422792713272992011-02-22T13:19:11.080-08:002011-02-22T13:19:11.080-08:00Jenny Said: "There is a flaw in this argument...Jenny Said: "There is a flaw in this argument. Heart disease develops slowly over time. The heart attack that took place in 1950 was the end result of physiological changes that took place in 1920. So dietary (and other) changes that occurred in 1950 should be mapped to health outcomes in the 1970s, not the 1950s."<br /><br />Note the sharp drop off in Butter consumption around 1950 correlates to the peak in CHD in the 1970s so the theory is correct, and may speak to the preventative effects of butter on heart disease.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17328479154185894193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-17451924645795692132010-04-23T09:57:57.334-07:002010-04-23T09:57:57.334-07:00Have a look on Peter's blog
http://high-fat-n...Have a look on Peter's blog<br /><br />http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/<br /><br />for a series of posts called "AGE RAGE and ALE"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-73976751131830544942010-04-01T13:48:49.311-07:002010-04-01T13:48:49.311-07:00Cornelius B.
Something the “specialists” ignore w...Cornelius B.<br /><br />Something the “specialists” ignore wittingly or unwittingly is the fact that sugars and unsaturated fats may contribute to the inflammatory process through a well known reaction, the reaction of Maillard. All sugars contain a chemical function, an aldehyde, as is the case with glucose, or a ketone function, as is with fructose. Aldehydes and ketones react with amine functions, present on all proteins and nucleic acids (RNAs and DNA), to rearrange in a stable form, named Advanced Glycated End-products (AGE). <br />Unsaturated fatty acids are oxidized in the presence of oxygen free radicals, such as superoxide, and generate ketones and aldehydes, and perform the same reaction as sugars do, thus generating AGEs. Now, if you have a look at the research results done with AGEs, you may understand the dark face of sugars and unsaturated fats on health, when they are ingested regularly in high amounts.Cornelius Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06289780709001050139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-9621858027075452792009-11-06T09:56:09.812-08:002009-11-06T09:56:09.812-08:00Hi Stephan,
I discovered your blog recently and r...Hi Stephan,<br /><br />I discovered your blog recently and really appreciate your dedication to careful analysis of scientific studies. <br /><br />I've read in the past that a major reason for the decrease of CHD prevalence in the 70's and after was due to a decline in smoking rates. What are your thoughts? <br /><br />I'm not implying that improvements in medical technologies didn't help, just curious about what you've concluded about relationship with smoking trends. <br /><br />Thanks!!<br /><br />~MariaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-89499010365005014372009-04-05T16:18:00.000-07:002009-04-05T16:18:00.000-07:00This is the second time I've found your site looki...This is the second time I've found your site looking for different things on google. Great job! I really enjoy your articles and the comments.Mrarfarfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16203975231011056873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-20063779375958456272009-03-03T22:49:00.000-08:002009-03-03T22:49:00.000-08:00Thanks Ricardo, I wasn't aware of that.Thanks Ricardo, I wasn't aware of that.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-85269735793431445922009-03-01T13:00:00.000-08:002009-03-01T13:00:00.000-08:00Dear Stephan, are you aware of the Excel data avai...Dear Stephan, are you aware of the Excel data available in this website?: http://www.heartstats.org/atozindex.asp?id=8 It includes a lot of European data, besides UK data. I believe it would be quite interesting to do with this data the same thing Ancel Key did but using this updated data. This is a suggestion for a next post in your blog, of course;) Regards..https://www.blogger.com/profile/09917531397118353422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-68867555520101099182009-01-30T21:20:00.000-08:002009-01-30T21:20:00.000-08:00Emma,Trans fats do occur in butter, but they are m...Emma,<BR/><BR/>Trans fats do occur in butter, but they are mostly not the same as those that occur in hydrogenated oils. They have been part of the human diet since the beginning (they also occur in ruminant fat tissue), whereas vegetable trans fats are new.<BR/><BR/>Margarine is allowed to say "0 grams trans fat" when it actually contains up to 0.5 g per serving. Furthermore, it's a new food without a successful cultural track record. I would treat it with a high degree of suspicion. The fact that the AHA recommends margarine is yet another reason to avoid it.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-8054793483658358372009-01-28T07:46:00.000-08:002009-01-28T07:46:00.000-08:00Trans fat naturally occurs in some foods, like but...Trans fat naturally occurs in some foods, like butter, but are also formed in the processing of some foods where product texture and shelf life are desired. I’ve learned a lot about this subject because I work with the National Association of Margarine Manufacturers. In addition, heart disease runs in my family so I’ve got a personal interest in this subject as well.<BR/><BR/>Using new technologies, margarine manufacturers have met the challenge and eliminated or reduced trans fat in margarine products, making a good product even better. In fact, almost every soft margarine product now shows “0 grams trans fats” on its label. In addition to great taste and convenience, margarine contributes to lower blood cholesterol levels when substituted for butter and it contains vitamin E and essential fatty acids. When comparing margarine to butter, many margarine products are the recommended alternative as stated by of the American Heart Association, as well as the Federal government’s National Cholesterol Education Program. And yes, it’s still an economical choice for the consumer. Margarine has certainly improved with age.Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16908159691002688152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-75987281636245002432009-01-06T13:02:00.000-08:002009-01-06T13:02:00.000-08:00David,It's a fair point. The tendency to inflamma...David,<BR/><BR/>It's a fair point. The tendency to inflammation depends on many factors, including the amount of essential fatty acid precursors, the ratio of AA to EPA, and many others. The idea that AA leads to inflammation is a bit of an oversimplification, if I understand correctly. I won't pretend to understand it all. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Maybe Robert can answer the question better.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-66346888315593949882009-01-06T05:22:00.000-08:002009-01-06T05:22:00.000-08:00One thing I've never understood: if inflammation i...One thing I've never understood: if inflammation is the enemy, what about the high levels of arachidonic acid found in meat and eggs? Isn't AA inflammatory?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12715791380136122997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-67376505860522444562009-01-03T13:58:00.000-08:002009-01-03T13:58:00.000-08:00To juhana:Talking about human lab-rat experiments ...To juhana:<BR/>Talking about human lab-rat experiments :)<BR/><BR/>Did you know that you and myself seem to make quite an interesting experimental couple? We share sociogeographical site & time, similar age and maybe even some similarities in our bodies imflammatory response to the normal, recommened diet.<BR/><BR/>So, while you chose the fish and oil based fusion kichen for your optimum, I'm on Kwasniewski's OD with lots of milkfat, without fish and without supplements. Actually, we seem to have made pretty much opposite choises in all calories, weather from carbs, proteins OR fats.<BR/><BR/>Time may not tell, which style is ultimately better. But time will certainy tell how we survive on paths chosen.<BR/><BR/>Good luck to you, too o/LeenaShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09565398001624904475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-10540498567848195372009-01-02T09:57:00.000-08:002009-01-02T09:57:00.000-08:00Stephan,What you wrote about babies is obvious. I ...Stephan,<BR/><BR/>What you wrote about babies is obvious. I repeat that I am not proposing that we should eat vegetables or vegetable foods only.Juhana Harjuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17054647455809401203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-40887216669296458272009-01-02T09:35:00.000-08:002009-01-02T09:35:00.000-08:00Juhana,Try feeding a baby nothing but vegetables a...Juhana,<BR/><BR/>Try feeding a baby nothing but vegetables and see how he turns out! Vegetables contain nutrients, but they are missing many of the most essential nutrients such as K2 MK-4, preformed vitamin A, vitamin D, B12, EPA, DHA, and probably others that haven't been identified or whose importance has not yet been appreciated. Full-fat milk is a complete food. Infants and adults alike can survive just fine on nothing but milk. I would say that qualifies it as nutrient-dense. <BR/><BR/>Bryan,<BR/><BR/>Healthy traditional diets are typically less than 2% linoleic acid, with variable amounts of long-chain omega-3. Humans do indeed accumulate linoleic acid, up to 30% of body fat and perhaps more.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-34177184141710626512009-01-02T08:22:00.000-08:002009-01-02T08:22:00.000-08:00Stephan, I consider raw milk to be a nutrient dens...Stephan, I consider raw milk to be a nutrient dense food simply because it's the complete package of nutrients in a form well assimilated. I don't know of any other single food that compares in this regard.<BR/><BR/>Juhana, when you look at diets even a few hundred years ago, the amount of polyunsaturated fat had to be no more than 5-10% of calories, even for those groups that ate high-fat diets. People simply did not have available major food sources that were high in PUFA (more than about 10% of calories as PUFA). Nuts are a possible exception, but they were not eaten in large quantities. Only with the advent of cheap vegetable oils like corn oil and soy oil has the amount of PUFA increased dramatically in the human diet. <A HREF="http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fats_and_cancer.html" REL="nofollow">Barry Groves</A> mentions that early organ transplant patients were given linoleic acid in large amounts to suppress their immune system, because evidence of the immuno-suppression was supported by scientific research. He also mentions that this approach was abandoned after many patients very quickly came down with bizarre cancers. I have not researched the scientific journals, but I have read that there is quite a bit of evidence that PUFA is highly prone to peroxidation and these peroxides are quite damaging to our health in a variety of ways. So, it only makes sense to limit their intake as much as possible and a goal of about 4% is achievable.<BR/><BR/>On an interesting side note, I noticed that another omnivore, the pig, apparently accumulates more PUFA in the meat on commercial diets high in grains than in the wild. Wild boar meat has about 3.6% of calories as PUFA versus about 7% in commercial pork meat. It would be interesting to know if the same happens to humans on diets high in grain.Bryan - oz4casterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18027990322659101002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-57352657893641568792009-01-02T08:04:00.000-08:002009-01-02T08:04:00.000-08:00Juhana wrote:"...but the fact that vegetables in a...Juhana wrote:<BR/><BR/>"...but the fact that vegetables in average contain most nutrients per calories."<BR/><BR/>But vegetables contain very little nutrients per volume. So you would have to eat a lot of vegetables in terms of volume compared to nutrient dense foods like eggs (or dairy). In addition to that animal products have usually a much higher bioavailability than plants.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10249341880323048751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-79352295345710188682009-01-02T07:57:00.000-08:002009-01-02T07:57:00.000-08:00Juhana wrote:"As I wrote, I eat natto. Check it ou...Juhana wrote:<BR/><BR/>"As I wrote, I eat natto. Check it out to find how much it contains vitamin K2. ;-)"<BR/><BR/>As far as I know, natto contains K2 Mk-7, but no Mk-4. If you think Mk-7 is superior, then natto is most likely the best choice (if you are able to get that awful stuff down).<BR/><BR/>I tend to side with Stephan and prefere Mk-4.<BR/><BR/>Re: Vit D<BR/><BR/>If someone eats a diet without a trace of Vitamin D, he gets 100% of his Vitamin D from sun exposure. That doesn´t mean that this is a good thing. Even if you are right about your 90% that doesn´t tell you anything. You just can´t compare someone living in Uganda with someone in Finnland.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10249341880323048751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-20701929637108661192009-01-02T07:50:00.000-08:002009-01-02T07:50:00.000-08:00Stephan,By dairy not being nutrient dense I mean t...Stephan,<BR/><BR/>By dairy not being nutrient dense I mean that it does not contain very much nutrients per the amount of energy it provides. <BR/><BR/>Here is an interesting <A HREF="http://www.vegsource.com/harris/ten_categories.htm" REL="nofollow">collection of graphs</A> made my a vegan doctor. Please ignore the fact that he is vegan, that is not essential here, but the fact that vegetables in average contain most nutrients per calories.Juhana Harjuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17054647455809401203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-8786261853159442402009-01-02T00:32:00.000-08:002009-01-02T00:32:00.000-08:00Troy,Yeah that sounds familiar. I've also noticed...Troy,<BR/><BR/>Yeah that sounds familiar. I've also noticed that often people who eat like that are thin but have bad skin. <BR/><BR/>Juhana,<BR/><BR/>I'm not criticizing your position on vegetables. I think it's possible to be healthy on a mostly plant-based diet. I was just stating that I don't think vegetables are an absolutely necessary part of a healthy diet. They may still be useful in some contexts, particularly for their mineral content and flavor. <BR/><BR/>I have to disagree with you about dairy not being nutrient dense. It's able to exclusively support a young animal during its most rapid period of growth. It may not contain 100% of the recommended daily allowance for every nutrient, but I would argue that's a failing of the nutrition authorities rather than a failing of evolution. <BR/><BR/>The Masai subsist quite well on a diet that is almost exclusively unpasteurized full-fat dairy. Their Zebu cows produce twice the milkfat of our wimpy Holsteins. The only other things they eat are blood and meat from time to time. On that diet, they are strong enough to hunt lions for sport with nothing but a spear and shield.Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-11992974904792925932009-01-01T22:02:00.000-08:002009-01-01T22:02:00.000-08:00Half wrote:"You say you are following a japanese s...<B>Half wrote:</B><BR/><BR/><I>"You say you are following a japanese style of diet...which is fine.</I>"<BR/><BR/>No. I said that I follow a fusion diet, best described as a combination of Mediterranean and Japanese diets. My diet is moderately high fat. I eat as much fat as I feel that is the most palatable. That makes my diet about 40 percent fat from energy intake (I have assessed my nutrient intake now and then).<BR/><BR/><I>"Eating all those veggies high in vitamin k isn't going to get converted to vitamin k2..."</I><BR/><BR/>As I wrote, I eat <I>natto</I>. Check it out to find how much it contains vitamin K2. ;-)<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Stan wrote:</B><BR/><BR/><I>"In my humble and personal opinion plant based diets are _survivable_ but secondary to animal based diets, in terms of health benefits, longevity (believe but can't prove) and stamina."</I><BR/><BR/><B>"...and Stephan accompanied: </B><BR/><BR/><I>"It's interesting to note that the healthiest people in the world (from the perspective of non-infectious disease) don't eat very many vegetables.</I><BR/><BR/>I have not been promoting a vegetarian diet here. I have been promoting the idea of higher intake of vegetable foods. These are two different things. But even if we consider vegetarian diets, the lactovegetarians seem to manage pretty well - just think about the very high life-expectancy of the vegetarian <A HREF="http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/3/532S" REL="nofollow">Seventh-day Adventists</A>.Juhana Harjuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17054647455809401203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-33702438662429619992009-01-01T22:01:00.000-08:002009-01-01T22:01:00.000-08:00Bryan wrote:"I believe low-carb diets are importan...<B>Bryan wrote:</B><BR/><BR/><I>"I believe low-carb diets are important for those who are over-weight, pre-diabetic, or diabetic."</I><BR/><BR/>I agree. This is just what I meant when I wrote about wrecked metabolism.<BR/><BR/><I>"In going on a low-carb diet, these people need to limit polyunsaturated fat to no more than about 4% of total calories long-term for optimal health."</I><BR/><BR/>Any reliable reference to support this view?<BR/><BR/><I>"I do believe that Price was right when he concluded that the healthiest people he studied included animal seafoods, organ meats, and/or dairy in their diets. These foods are not only nutrient dense, but also have excellent nutrient availability, which is not always the case with plant foods. For instance, only about10-20% of the calcium in spinach is absorbed in digestion"</I><BR/><BR/>Organ meats are too high in vitamin A (causes bone loss). In addition to that, what was healthy 100 years ago, may not be anymore. Organ meats are also high in heavy metals (cadmium) and they may contain residues of drugs and hormones fed to animals.<BR/><BR/>Dairy is not nutrient dense. (I do eat some dairy.)<BR/><BR/>Calcium is not the reason to eat spinach but rather the high vitamin K, lutein and zeaxanthin content.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Tom wrote:</B><BR/><BR/><I>"Scott W. did not attempt to justify high consumption of animal foods; he justified some consumption of animal foods, so I don't know why you're trying to argue his own point back to him."</I><BR/><BR/>I were not trying to argue his point back to him. That point in my message was meant for other people following this discussion. <BR/><BR/><I>"Your words here are very confusing. You say that we shouldn't get our vitamin D from the diet, then you say you supplement (add it to your diet). These are directly contradictory.</I><BR/><BR/>No, I just stated the fact. Globally the cutaneous productions accounts about 90 percent of the vitamin D production.<BR/><BR/><I>"Secondly, where did you get the figure that 90% of our vitamin D is synthesized in skin and 10% is obtained in food?"</I><BR/><BR/>It is stated in many studies: "Exposure to ultraviolet radiation accounts for 90 percent of 25-hydroxyvitamin D..." (John EM et al. Sun exposure, vitamin D receptor gene polymorphisms, and breast cancer risk in a multiethnic population. Am J Epidemiol. 2007 Dec 15;166(12):1409-19.)Juhana Harjuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17054647455809401203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-23396604636127006952009-01-01T21:12:00.000-08:002009-01-01T21:12:00.000-08:00Stephen,a funny thing about your last comment abou...Stephen,<BR/><BR/>a funny thing about your last comment about income and the rich consuming more veggies and fruit, its so true. I cashier in this health food store in super swanky del mar california, and all these rich people come in and buy tons of veggies and fruit, and drink there fruit smoothies and green drinks...along with there low fat or 0% greek yogurt, wine, and whole wheat bread. 95% of them are still over weight. THe ones who arent over weight are the very unhealthy looking marathon runner types. The die hard surfers are skinny for the most part but eat like crap though...lucky for them they do a great anerobic activity like surfing, and Art De Vany has mentioned that surfers stay lean also because of the brown fat they build up from surfing in cold water for long periods of time. But the incorrect nutrition can't save there skin from the sun...the older surfers have some of the crustiest skin i have seen. It would be as easy as eating butter and eggs. Put on as much sunscreen as you want...it only makes things worse.<BR/><BR/>Anyways...the point is...i don't think fruits and veggies are health...Half Navajohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06726356217979989075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1629175743855013102.post-61703755701870369882009-01-01T15:47:00.000-08:002009-01-01T15:47:00.000-08:00Hi Stephan,I agree, epi studies tend to be biased ...Hi Stephan,<BR/><BR/>I agree, epi studies tend to be biased and their authors do not always seem to be very proactive in revealing or neutralizing those biases. An infamous British vegetarian study "proving" that vegetarians are healthy springs to my mind (I am still recovering after that ban from vegan forum, sorry for a digression).<BR/><BR/>Re: healthy people and low vegetable diet<BR/><BR/>I noticed that too. I find it fascinating that some of the most long lived people in the world live in the mountains of Peru and Equador and live mostly off potatoes and not much anything else! <BR/><BR/>I am sure you saw those, but for the sake of other readers; here are two of Peter's articles on the subject of reduced DNA damage on low vegetable diets:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/search/label/Fruit%20and%20vegetables%20(4)%20The%20asterisk" REL="nofollow">"The Asterisk"</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/search/label/Fruit%20and%20vegetables%20(2)%20damage%20your%20DNA...%20latest%20study%20headline" REL="nofollow"> "Fruit and vegetables (2) damage your DNA... latest study headline." </A>Stan Bleszynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03922719716458272303noreply@blogger.com